THE COMPETANT ALL ROUNDER.....

[maty j 6]

Levs this was from 2005 Most of the members have been deleated, banned or ended there account

[mackem 30,016]

Lamping is sooo last season Maty,theres a resurgence of interest in all rounders at the minute,lock up your chickens

[undisputed 1,664]

WHAT IM SAYING IS I BELIEVE THERE ARE VERY FEW ALL ROUND LURCHERS OUT THERE....... AS OPPOSED TO THOSE MERELY LABELLED ALL ROUNDERS.

If a dog takes deer , charlies hares et all on the lamp, it isnt a n all rounder but a damm good lamp dog, and if a quality coursing dog able to take 3/4/5 on good land is able to lamp 20 rabbits is that an all rounder. I dont think so. IMHO an allrounder shouldnt just take quarry well but should excel at at least 2 disciplines in order to merit such a tag, who can honestly say that their fox destroying bull x is as equal to a daytime hare as it is on illuminated vulpines? not an occasional kickup or a 1 outta 2 runs but REGULARLY taking daytime hares. On the flipside can a saluki blood owner say his matchdog hammers into old red on the lamp? Horses for courses I know , but 1 swallow deffo doesnt make a summer and how many times have you seen pups out of all round parents?, if a dog takes 5 foxes in its life is it a fox dog? NO. if a dog takes 3 daytime hare a season is it a hare dog? No. Consistency is the key word and the proof of the pudding is in the eating, Everyone has different benchmarks for thier tykes and have varying degrees of keeness for each respective quarry, but not many broaden their palates on other species instead of allowing their dogs more scope at various fauna, its sticking to what they like. which is all well and good but advertising pups as prospective all rounders because their dog took a fox one night isnt misleading , but doing the pups no favours what so ever.

Genetically and mentally , different crosses are designed for a particular quarry. I believe few first crosses will make all rounders due to their breeding, Its the next step, The 3/4 or outcross in which lies the potential. If you owned a half bull grey , you wouldnt expect it to trouble day hares, and if you owned a half sal grey , youd be forgiven for not making a dent on the local fox culture. But fused together......Would you get the best of both worlds or simply a jack of all trades and master of none?

Give your dogs a look, are they a real animal on one species but nothing special on anything else? if so , be proud for they are the equal of every other lurcher in the country, If you can honestly say your dog can live with the coursing dogs and the bull platoon, or the deer runners , the ferreters or even the rabbit lampers , then yours is a dog apart. If not in a million.

keep it real guys.

 

 

I agree mate there's few of today's lurchers could be classed as "all rounders" I knew a few old style hunters who speciallised in long and gate netting they preferred collie crosses and speed wasn't an issue as their task was to flush or herd the game toward the nets. Hunting has changed so much over the years and pot fillers are not really rated by many so called lurchermen these days unless they can destoy old charlie on a regular basis or take x amount of hares. People used to make a bit of money on their catches with their dogs so required a good intelligent and versatile dog to do the buisness. Back then poaching was as much an art form as a pass time and manys the family that lived of the proceeds of these dog's. Sadly these days are all but gone and there is less demands placed on a dog in terms of what it has to provide for the table. I'm sure there's a few out there who still adhere to the old style poaching and good luck to them I say, but all rounder! I dont have one and I dont know of anyone near me who has one either.

 

f**k just noticed how old this is...lol ah well!

Edited September 8, 2008 by undisputed

[Mars 42]

i think the question needs to be asked: should an "allrounder EXCEL at the tasks or just be able to perform them?

IMHO, after serious thought, i dobt if there are any lurchers out there that could EXCEL at every discipline..

Im talking daytime fox, deer, hare rabbit in multiples...and that is the test>>>multiples quite alot of dogs will take a singleton, but give it another, then another...see how good it is then??..

could you get a dog regularly taking 3/3 brown hares and expect it to work with the ferrets? It can happen, of course, but will it sit, stay. lie, retreive...ANd kill fox and deer up to fallow size?..there are so many variables, that hard and fast answers are very hard to nail down...i think that EVERY lurcher has its flaw...but thats JMHO....

good hunting guys...JD

 

Well said........ A lurcher that excelled at all that you`d want a lucher to do would be some dog too see, !!!!!!!!

My own Bull X bitch bleedin good at the things you`d expect a bull x to be good at,

But she also hunts up well during the daytime, Marks, is ok ferreting, and retrives rabbits live "most of the time" Lol..

and will ocasionaly get lucky on the old long ears,

But she getting on in years now so hopefully her pup that i`ll keep back from this litter she has now will come up to her high standards, {fingers crossed} i took plenty of time and travelled some miles picking the right stud dog

Good thread.........

 

Yis Mars...

[maty j 6]

Lamping is sooo last season Maty,theres a resurgence of interest in all rounders at the minute,lock up your chickens

 

I hope lamping Is last seaon, All the more game for me that Isn't lamp shy