RABBIT MAGNUMS FOUND HERE

[RAMCAM 4]

Rabbit Magnums found here www.drapers-airguns.co.uk this information was given to me by Mohamed Tassem.

 

Thankyou Mohamed

 

If anyone has used these pellets please post here.

Edited November 29, 2008 by RAMCAM

[woz 260]

i think i used em years ago in a springer.....think they did 30 feet before hitting the dirt......didnt do any good

[Deker 3,478]

i think i used em years ago in a springer.....think they did 30 feet before hitting the dirt......didnt do any good

 

 

From a 12ft lb gun.........Pigs jumping logs come to mind!!!!!

[RAMCAM 4]

i think i used em years ago in a springer.....think they did 30 feet before hitting the dirt......didnt do any good

 

Thanks, I will be using them in a pcp only for short range fun obviously, lighter than pile drivers, my main pellets are between 6.9-10.5 grain. 9 grain max in a springer and thats pushing it, you could end up with a broken spring.

Edited November 29, 2008 by RAMCAM

[woz 260]

i think i used em years ago in a springer.....think they did 30 feet before hitting the dirt......didnt do any good

 

Thanks, I will be using them in a pcp only for short range fun obviously, lighter than pile drivers, my main pellets are between 6.9-10.5 grain. 9 grain max in a springer and thats pushing it, you could end up with a broken spring.

 

 

when we were young and not trusted with bullet rifles we would use any pellets in the quest for rabbit and squirell shooting.even used elley wasp magnums which if i recall weigh about the same as a rifle and never broke a spring...iv a fac pcp and that dosnt push a wasp magnum at a decent fps.......shocked we ever shot as much as we used to looking back

[Deker 3,478]

i think i used em years ago in a springer.....think they did 30 feet before hitting the dirt......didnt do any good

 

Thanks, I will be using them in a pcp only for short range fun obviously, lighter than pile drivers, my main pellets are between 6.9-10.5 grain. 9 grain max in a springer and thats pushing it, you could end up with a broken spring.

 

 

Broken Spring????? What leads you to believe this, the heavier the pellet and the better the fit up the barrel the less chance you have of damaging a spring...and to be honest, I don't think I know anyone who has ever "Broken" the spring!!!

[andyfr1968 772]

Rabbit Magnums found here www.drapers-airguns.co.uk this information was given to me by Mohamed Tassem.

 

Thankyou Mohamed

 

If anyone has used these pellets please post here.

Hi. I agree with all the folks on here who've said that in sub FAC guns (in .22) they are so slow, it's very hard to place your shots well. In .177 though, they fly much faster (750 ish f.p.s.) and hold their energy very well down-range. They are very well made (by H and N) and if your gun likes them, you could do a lot worse. It's all trial and error which can be a pain but it's just the way it is. Cheers.

Edited November 30, 2008 by andyfr1968

[Mohamed Tassem 0]

I'm glad you found em RAMCAM. Have fun!

 

Broken Spring????? What leads you to believe this, the heavier the pellet and the better the fit up the barrel the less chance you have of damaging a spring...and to be honest, I don't think I know anyone who has ever "Broken" the spring!!!

 

Really light or heavy pellets may cause excessive piston bounce and extensive use will damage the seals and cause spring fatigue. It also causes detonation at times which will result in broken springs eventually. The same goes for loose/tight pellets. Noticing the recoil is a telltale sign for such issues. This is specific to springers and does not apply for PCPs, CO2 or Pump Action rifles/pistols.

 

This mostly happens with extra light pellets in magnum rifles (when the fps bug bites) and extra heavy pellets in light powered rifles (when the ft/lb bug bites!) lol..

Edited November 30, 2008 by Mohamed Tassem

[Deker 3,478]

I'm glad you found em RAMCAM. Have fun!

 

Broken Spring????? What leads you to believe this, the heavier the pellet and the better the fit up the barrel the less chance you have of damaging a spring...and to be honest, I don't think I know anyone who has ever "Broken" the spring!!!

 

Really light or heavy pellets may cause excessive piston bounce and extensive use will damage the seals and cause spring fatigue. It also causes detonation at times which will result in broken springs eventually. The same goes for loose/tight pellets. Noticing the recoil is a telltale sign for such issues. This is specific to springers and does not apply for PCPs, CO2 or Pump Action rifles/pistols.

 

This mostly happens with extra light pellets in magnum rifles (when the fps bug bites) and extra heavy pellets in light powered rifles (when the ft/lb bug bites!) lol..

 

Really light or heavy pellets may cause excessive piston bounce and extensive use will damage the seals and cause spring fatigue

Chap..you are a little mixed up and putting the cart before the horse...you will not get any piston bounce with a heavy pellet and a decent barrel fit if the gun is in good condition and seals functioning, totally the opposite actually. Heavy pellets do not lead to broken springs, poor gun maintenance may produce this! But if anyone using the gun has not noticed any performance issues before this catastrophic event I will be amazed.

 

The same goes for loose/tight pellets Same response..a tight pellet does not cause piston bounce, it may lead to seal damage which in turn could cause this problem but this is a maintenance issue and would have to be very bad to cause a spring to break, and again, if anyone using the gun has not noticed any performance issues before this catastrophic event I will be amazed.

 

In simple terms, you are saying if your seals are useless for any reason you may get piston bounce, TRUE, but if the idiot using the gun has not noticed a performance problem BEFORE he destroys a spring then ............ :crazy: ?!?!

 

I have never known of a BROKEN spring (I'm sure there must be some though), plenty that have lost correct tension through use or age or maintenance issues!

Edited November 30, 2008 by Deker

[RAMCAM 4]

Chap..you are a little mixed up and putting the cart before the horse...you will not get any piston bounce with a heavy pellet and a decent barrel fit if the gun is in good condition and seals functioning, totally the opposite actually. Heavy pellets do not lead to broken springs, poor gun maintenance may produce this! But if anyone using the gun has not noticed any performance issues before this catastrophic event I will be amazed.

 

The same goes for loose/tight pellets Same response..a tight pellet does not cause piston bounce, it may lead to seal damage which in turn could cause this problem but this is a maintenance issue and would have to be very bad to cause a spring to break, and again, if anyone using the gun has not noticed any performance issues before this catastrophic event I will be amazed.

 

In simple terms, you are saying if your seals are useless for any reason you may get piston bounce, TRUE, but if the idiot using the gun has not noticed a performance problem BEFORE he destroys a spring then ............ :crazy: ?!?!

 

I have never known of a BROKEN spring (I'm sure there must be some though), plenty that have lost correct tension through use or age or maintenance issues!

 

You will not get any piston bounce with a heavy pellet and a decent barrel fit if the gun is in good condition and seals functioning.

I cannot believe you said that. :sick:

I have had piston bounce with a 10.5 grain pellet in my springer fitted with a brand new v-mach kit. You do not fire heavy pellets in springers.

You have just created my next new topic.

[RAMCAM 4]

I'm glad you found em RAMCAM. Have fun!

 

Broken Spring????? What leads you to believe this, the heavier the pellet and the better the fit up the barrel the less chance you have of damaging a spring...and to be honest, I don't think I know anyone who has ever "Broken" the spring!!!

 

Really light or heavy pellets may cause excessive piston bounce and extensive use will damage the seals and cause spring fatigue. It also causes detonation at times which will result in broken springs eventually. The same goes for loose/tight pellets. Noticing the recoil is a telltale sign for such issues. This is specific to springers and does not apply for PCPs, CO2 or Pump Action rifles/pistols.

 

This mostly happens with extra light pellets in magnum rifles (when the fps bug bites) and extra heavy pellets in light powered rifles (when the ft/lb bug bites!) lol..

 

Well said Mohamed.

[Deker 3,478]

Chap..you are a little mixed up and putting the cart before the horse...you will not get any piston bounce with a heavy pellet and a decent barrel fit if the gun is in good condition and seals functioning, totally the opposite actually. Heavy pellets do not lead to broken springs, poor gun maintenance may produce this! But if anyone using the gun has not noticed any performance issues before this catastrophic event I will be amazed.

 

The same goes for loose/tight pellets Same response..a tight pellet does not cause piston bounce, it may lead to seal damage which in turn could cause this problem but this is a maintenance issue and would have to be very bad to cause a spring to break, and again, if anyone using the gun has not noticed any performance issues before this catastrophic event I will be amazed.

 

In simple terms, you are saying if your seals are useless for any reason you may get piston bounce, TRUE, but if the idiot using the gun has not noticed a performance problem BEFORE he destroys a spring then ............ :crazy: ?!?!

 

I have never known of a BROKEN spring (I'm sure there must be some though), plenty that have lost correct tension through use or age or maintenance issues!

 

 

You will not get any piston bounce with a heavy pellet and a decent barrel fit if the gun is in good condition and seals functioning.

I cannot believe you said that. :sick:

I have had piston bounce with a 10.5 grain pellet in my springer fitted with a brand new v-mach kit. You do not fire heavy pellets in springers.

You have just created my next new topic.

 

Well I did...and that's the way it is, but as you obviously don't accept what I say I'll let others explain it to you on your new thread!!

ATB

[RAMCAM 4]

Rabbit Magnums found here www.drapers-airguns.co.uk this information was given to me by Mohamed Tassem.

 

Thankyou Mohamed

 

If anyone has used these pellets please post here.

Hi. I agree with all the folks on here who've said that in sub FAC guns (in .22) they are so slow, it's very hard to place your shots well. In .177 though, they fly much faster (750 ish f.p.s.) and hold their energy very well down-range. They are very well made (by H and N) and if your gun likes them, you could do a lot worse. It's all trial and error which can be a pain but it's just the way it is. Cheers.

 

thanks

[Mohamed Tassem 0]

Chap..you are a little mixed up and putting the cart before the horse...you will not get any piston bounce with a heavy pellet and a decent barrel fit if the gun is in good condition and seals functioning

 

You have me thinking twice now! lol.. Could it be that the issue I'm referring to, is more common in FAC springers? I checked with a few fellow air-gunners and all confirmed the same. Heavy or Loose pellets are bad news for springers.

 

To counter the condition of the seals, the better the seal, the more resistance the piston gets when pushing out a heavy pellet. So it aggravates things!

 

a tight pellet does not cause piston bounce, it may lead to seal damage which in turn could cause this problem

 

This, I wholeheartedly agree to. But none of the problems mentioned, happen overnight.

 

Continual use of heavy/light pellets cause problems. Thats the whole discussion! lol..

[BIGPETE 0]

Chap..you are a little mixed up and putting the cart before the horse...you will not get any piston bounce with a heavy pellet and a decent barrel fit if the gun is in good condition and seals functioning

 

You have me thinking twice now! lol.. Could it be that the issue I'm referring to, is more common in FAC springers? I checked with a few fellow air-gunners and all confirmed the same. Heavy or Loose pellets are bad news for springers.

 

To counter the condition of the seals, the better the seal, the more resistance the piston gets when pushing out a heavy pellet. So it aggravates things!

 

a tight pellet does not cause piston bounce, it may lead to seal damage which in turn could cause this problem

 

This, I wholeheartedly agree to. But none of the problems mentioned, happen overnight.

 

Continual use of heavy/light pellets cause problems. Thats the whole discussion! lol..

Hi Mo'

I think I would agree with Decker on this one, I have used air guns for the last 30 odd years, standard springers were the main stay and I built up a fair few from old guns and used the good bits from several (same model) to make up a good one. I have seen just about every trick in the book to increase power which was the usual cause of the spring or piston damage. I think the ignition you mention will be dieselling caused by the ignition of the lubricant leaking past the main seal, this ignition causes rapid expansion of the air in the cylinder far beyond the pressures the airgun was designed to withstand and is more likely to be the cause of damage (and erratic increased power levels/accuracy). Old age will wear the mainspring and yes I have stripped one or two and seen a broken spring so who knows?, may be piston bounce was responible but I never experienced it. I fired heavy weight pellets (magnums and barracudas)from a12ft/lb mk 1 webley vulcan for years on end and never had a problem. The drop on these slugs is terrible but they were great for tackling the roosting ferrals at the co-op warehouse.Short range crop shots and no damaged roof panels!

Anyway,hope this helps a little.

Happy shooting and best regards,

Pete.