police and over 12ft lbs?

[LOGUNSOLO177 0]

I agree as long as you are not in posession on any pellets which take your gun over the limit then it should be allowed!!! They need to sort the law out on this issue if you ask me!!

[SEAN3513 7]

found this on another forum......may be of interest/concern to those covered by certain police forces.

 

Metropolitan Police Service

 

Any airgun suspected of being over the prescribed limit is tested at the Met’s forensic laboratory in Lambeth.

 

The airgun is tested using three weights of pellets providing a data spread over a wide bandwidth. In use are Eley Wasp, H&N Diablo Spitz Kugeln and RWS Hobby.

 

Also tested are any pellets found with the airgun at the time of its confiscation.

 

In cases of borderline results, say 11.7fpe for rifles, further careful tests are carried out using individually weighed pellets.

 

Any single reading with any of the pellets that is above the firearm limit makes the gun a section one firearm.

 

Information is passed to the Crown Prosecution Service who decide whether it is in the public interest to prosecute.

 

Information from Wheeler, December 2001.

 

South Wales Police Force

 

1) They have no "standard" pellet to test with

2) They would test first with pellets found on the person who had the weapon taken for test, then they would run a number of shots with a selection of "normal "pellets, they would not use extra heavy magnums or extra light pellets.

3) They would take an average from the above tests to give a power level, which would be used to find guilty or not guilty of possession of an unauthorised firearm

4) It would also depend on the reason for which it was taken in.

 

West Midlands Police

 

West Midlands Police have facilities to test air weapons for muzzel energy, however, if the gun is suspected as being used in crime the chances are it will be sent to the firearms testing labs in Manchester.

 

I have spoken to them there and a range of pellets are used to test the gun. They state that if one pellet ( irrespective or type/weight) is dicharged above the legal limit their report will state it is capable of exceding the legal limit and therefore a sec 1.

 

Warwickshire Police

 

Warwickshire Police do not have any facilities for the testing of air-guns.

On the rare occasions that air-guns have been tested following seizure for any reason, we use the testing facility belonging to the West Midlands Police, at their Headquarters, Lloyd House in Birmingham. I am not aware of any guns that have been tested and found to be over the legal energy limit and therefore haven't had to make a policy decision on guns that may be slightly over the 12ft lb or 6ft lb limit. Sometimes people contact us to ask where they can verify if an airgun/rifle is within the limits and we generally refer them to their local Firearms Dealer.

 

 

sean

[mackem 29,522]

I used to visit the forensic labs in Lambeth often in the early 90's,fascinating place,and even back then they had an impressive balistics dept

[Coney 3]

found this on another forum......may be of interest/concern to those covered by certain police forces.

 

Metropolitan Police Service

 

Any airgun suspected of being over the prescribed limit is tested at the Met’s forensic laboratory in Lambeth.

 

The airgun is tested using three weights of pellets providing a data spread over a wide bandwidth. In use are Eley Wasp, H&N Diablo Spitz Kugeln and RWS Hobby.

 

Also tested are any pellets found with the airgun at the time of its confiscation.

 

In cases of borderline results, say 11.7fpe for rifles, further careful tests are carried out using individually weighed pellets.

 

Any single reading with any of the pellets that is above the firearm limit makes the gun a section one firearm.

 

Information is passed to the Crown Prosecution Service who decide whether it is in the public interest to prosecute.

 

Information from Wheeler, December 2001.

 

South Wales Police Force

 

1) They have no "standard" pellet to test with

2) They would test first with pellets found on the person who had the weapon taken for test, then they would run a number of shots with a selection of "normal "pellets, they would not use extra heavy magnums or extra light pellets.

3) They would take an average from the above tests to give a power level, which would be used to find guilty or not guilty of possession of an unauthorised firearm

4) It would also depend on the reason for which it was taken in.

 

West Midlands Police

 

West Midlands Police have facilities to test air weapons for muzzel energy, however, if the gun is suspected as being used in crime the chances are it will be sent to the firearms testing labs in Manchester.

 

I have spoken to them there and a range of pellets are used to test the gun. They state that if one pellet ( irrespective or type/weight) is dicharged above the legal limit their report will state it is capable of exceding the legal limit and therefore a sec 1.

 

Warwickshire Police

 

Warwickshire Police do not have any facilities for the testing of air-guns.

On the rare occasions that air-guns have been tested following seizure for any reason, we use the testing facility belonging to the West Midlands Police, at their Headquarters, Lloyd House in Birmingham. I am not aware of any guns that have been tested and found to be over the legal energy limit and therefore haven't had to make a policy decision on guns that may be slightly over the 12ft lb or 6ft lb limit. Sometimes people contact us to ask where they can verify if an airgun/rifle is within the limits and we generally refer them to their local Firearms Dealer.

 

 

sean

 

 

Great piece of research there sean...any info or links to who does it in the North East??

[ponte 222]

I own a fn 19...22. i set the gun up on a chrono with accupells.at 11.50 ftp....charging the gun at 170 bar...well within the law, or so i thought.....but to be sure i wasnt over the limit i put 40magnum through it, 25% were over the limit..!!!

 

I would recomend that to stay within the law you would have to set the gun up with medium weight pellets at 11 ftp..

[SEAN3513 7]

Great piece of research there sean...any info or links to who does it in the North East??

 

not as yet mate........cant find anything on cumbria either !!!!!!...............maybe they class us as the good guys...

 

i'll keep hunting and post as soon as i find anything !! (pardon the pun)

 

cheers

 

sean

[martin1 0]

ok gobby , because they tested with supplied valves and not the ones with the gun .

 

once tested they where all over but as they was not the valves that belonged to the guns in question it got thrown out . i wont name drop but he is a well known tuner .

but its the valve that sets the powe so how can they put another valve and it be over??

only way that could happen is if they took his actual over powered valves.

get your story straight please