fox cubs

[Guest ooty]

dont need a shovel i got a 14 year old son and i bort him one and for peasant conservation im not sure you do need to shoot them,never realy was to up on the law even when there was no so called ban,guns,weather 12 bore 303s or airguns leave injured long suffering and krippled animals that starve to death,,dogs dont.!!! only thing there good for is the antis,in my opinion :protest:

 

leave it out mate, you've obviously got very little experiance of using guns.

mate i was made to shoot rabbits every fu*king night ov the winter off a freezeing landy front spaire wheel when i was young.thats when we had winters aswell.my ol man was a keeper! i was shooting somthing nearly everyday, from an air gun to a punt gun,thats why i dont like them much.im board ov the noise.what you doing on a terrier section with your guns anyway???.so shows what you no dont it??? Edited June 28, 2008 by ooty

[Guest ooty]

think guns should be band,F**king noisey disruptive things .any ---- can pull a trigger,takes time and a brain to bring on a good dog,all my lurchers mark fox and will try to dig em alongside my terriers.

 

and they say its only rifle men that come out with stupid dumb ass comments.. you say when your lurcher finds a fox it trys to dig it out with your TERRIERS does that mean you double up ??

no but they'r fu*king handy if they bolt and for marking.i can read my old collie x and she knows where in an earth a fox is layed,saved me a lot ov digging over the years,also il do what i like.thanks,take your guns to the shooting section Edited June 28, 2008 by ooty

[Guest ooty]

That's a broad Norfolk dialect you have in your posts ooty

or a norfolk broard one?

[alimac 882]

dont need a shovel i got a 14 year old son and i bort him one and for peasant conservation im not sure you do need to shoot them,never realy was to up on the law even when there was no so called ban,guns,weather 12 bore 303s or airguns leave injured long suffering and krippled animals that starve to death,,dogs dont.!!! only thing there good for is the antis,in my opinion :protest:

 

leave it out mate, you've obviously got very little experiance of using guns.

mate i was made to shoot rabbits every fu*king night ov the winter off a freezeing landy front spaire wheel when i was young.thats when we had winters aswell.my ol man was a keeper! i was shooting somthing nearly everyday, from an air gun to a punt gun,thats why i dont like them much.im board ov the noise.what you doing on a terrier section with your guns anyway???.so shows what you no dont it???

Edited June 28, 2008 by alimac

[alimac 882]

think guns should be band,F**king noisey disruptive things .any ---- can pull a trigger,takes time and a brain to bring on a good dog,all my lurchers mark fox and will try to dig em alongside my terriers.

 

and they say its only rifle men that come out with stupid dumb ass comments.. you say when your lurcher finds a fox it trys to dig it out with your TERRIERS does that mean you double up ??

no but they'r fu*king handy if they bolt and for marking.i can read my old collie x and she knows where in an earth a fox is layed,saved me a lot ov digging over the years,also il do what i like.thanks,take your guns to the shooting section

 

like wise, shooters have the right to do what they like too, it aint just you that was given that god given right .... to be honest, i agree that the post of "only good fox is a dead fox" is a crazy statement, but like wise so is the comment you made about "guns should be banned" .. and i think you forgot to add that they were handy at a bolt, pre ban

[Guest gaz100604]

of "only good fox is a dead fox"

 

silly very silly thing to say, lads killing vixens in the summer with a den full of cubs and then culling the cubs afterwards is shit talk you should be beaten over the head with a stick for it.

[jart 0]

Jart can I use your collie to put over my patt bitch he sounds a handy sort .

Should get some good charlie dogs

only if i can have the pick of the litter!

[Guest ragumup]

timjim,

 

Of course they kill for food, you obviously have no understanding of the fox. They will kill everything they can (obviously) as they are wild animals and never know when their next meal is going to be. They don't have it as easy as you, they can't just go to the nearest super market and get some food!!!

 

The fact that you are a human being (I presume you are) means you should respect all quarry, we are the dominant species on this planet and wether you like it or not that comes with the responsibility, if you can't see that, well my words are just wasted on you.

 

Why people can't just tie-up a dog or two out side the chicken enclosure at night is beyond me, obviously preventing the dog from getting the birds aswell. Mankind can go to the moon, but it always boggles me how people cant figure out how to prevent their poultry from being eaten by foxes. So people go out and kill a fox, which doesn't prevent the problem, because even if you do get the right individual, another one will take its place. PREVENT the fox from accessing your birds in the first place and life will be so much easier!

This guy sounds like an anti but he does have a point (and i hate to admit it) on fox behaviour

OK then how do you prevent foxes killing game birds in and around 10 or 20 pheasant /partridge pens ? tie a couple of dogs at each pen for a month or three ?? thats 20 plus dogs doesn't sound practical to me. Electric fence are useful but expensive

The answer IMO (and there a lot of lads who dig for sport not pest control wont like this,) is to find and deal with, all the breeding vixens in/on your ground and beyond. and try to shoot the dog foxes at each den

That way there's no cubs on you ground or travelling in for a while until the birds are older and roosting (pheasants) more safely

I try to do this on my shoot and adjacent farms every year sometime i get them all, some time i miss a litter but if you get it right and over a big enough area it works as a fox will only breed ones a year. Buy the following oct/Feb your ground fox population will have been easily replaced with dispersing foxes from further a field

[Neil Cooney. 1]

If a fox wants your fowl he'll try bloody hard to get them and sometimes snarelines, electric fences, human urine LOL and good ol' chicken wire wont stop him. I lost fowl this year and a dog in a run 20 yards away.

That saying "if you kill one another just takes it's place" was tried by the antis years ago about mink hunting. It's regularly said about the fox too. Is there some place where foxes/mink are sitting there waiting for a vacancy to come up?

The truth is if you cull some predators in the Winter it enlarges the territory of it's neighbours thus giving them a bigger food source.

Yes you'll have a fox on your land but where their patches meet there be less of them.

[Guest ragumup]

In winter foxes are not strongly defending their territories between October to Feb also theirs hundreds and hundreds of big fox cubs dispersing across the country though those months ,traveling far and wide so any killed will be quickly replaced

But as iv already said if you kill the vixens when the pair are strongly defending their territories from Feb to to September and their neighbours then you will create a hole for a while

also foxes don't have patch's between their territories their territories just meet the size depends on the food available

foxes will often tolerate each other in a much smaller areas on shoots where there is an unnatural supply of food IE game birds

But there's always exceptions to the rule as iv found myself , iv lost laying pheasant hens in a pen less than ten yards from a dog kennel but big cubs are normally scared of the fresh smell of dogs unless they have not got used to them..... I once shot two adult dog foxes out of one small wood with a vixen to ground with cubs in the same small wood which is odd as IF there's more than a pair in a territory that time of year its normally the vixens last years cub...... which is one reason why when you shoot a vixen and if you don't find the cubs people say they'll starve but the fox is a survivor and unless the cubs are very young which is unlikely as the vixen doesn't leave them for the first ten to fourteen days then the dog fox will feed them or last years cub that has been allowed to help will.

[Guest ooty]

think guns should be band,F**king noisey disruptive things .any ---- can pull a trigger,takes time and a brain to bring on a good dog,all my lurchers mark fox and will try to dig em alongside my terriers.

 

and they say its only rifle men that come out with stupid dumb ass comments.. you say when your lurcher finds a fox it trys to dig it out with your TERRIERS does that mean you double up ??

no but they'r fu*king handy if they bolt and for marking.i can read my old collie x and she knows where in an earth a fox is layed,saved me a lot ov digging over the years,also il do what i like.thanks,take your guns to the shooting section

 

like wise, shooters have the right to do what they like too, it aint just you that was given that god given right .... to be honest, i agree that the post of "only good fox is a dead fox" is a crazy statement, but like wise so is the comment you made about "guns should be banned" .. and i think you forgot to add that they were handy at a bolt, pre ban

not me that said the only good fox is a dead one!i like to hunt them with my dogs still wonder why your posting shooting talk on a terrier spot?? did you and your gun do anything to help protesting against the ban on dogs.your sport is next in line and i wonder will you still go out shooting if it was?so dont talk to me bout rights.or shooting thanks.to me its boaring noisy and easy and also as i'v said leaves krippled birds and animals to starve or bleed to death

[Simoman 110]

ooty I think you will find that alimac is into working lurchers and terrier too. I perfer to see dogs working but I also shoot, I shoot around livery stables and farms reducing the pigeon population where a dog is of no use. Lets not divide a them and us between different fieldsports, we are all in this together.............

 

P.S. Ooty, were you in a band with the blowfish?

[Yokel Matt 918]

Here's the thing Ooty... i like shooting. I also like trapping, snaring, longnetting, fishing, cooking and... believe it or not... like going out (all be it only occasionally) with friends who work dogs. I don't have dogs myself as i don't have the space or time. I don't pretend to know anything more than the basics but try to pick things up for when i do get some dogs. I've been to two rallies in the city to fight the ban so who are you to say 'this is the terrier section and nothing to do with you'?!

 

Edited to say it was a rhetorical question as i really can't be arsed to get into a spat.

Edited June 30, 2008 by Local

[Guest ooty]

ooty I think you will find that alimac is into working lurchers and terrier too. I perfer to see dogs working but I also shoot, I shoot around livery stables and farms reducing the pigeon population where a dog is of no use. Lets not divide a them and us between different fieldsports, we are all in this together.............

 

P.S. Ooty, were you in a band with the blowfish?

no i gave up any hope ov being a pop star meny years ago when my belly started to go out instead ov in.why? i realise we are all in it together.and on odd ocasion i do go out ov a night and knock the odd pheasant for the pot out ov a tree and one roost shoot for pigions a year with my ol dad to spend a bit ov farther son time but to train a dog and watch it work is what does it for me.it was the stupid comment that was made "i clearly have very little experiance with shooting or guns" that pi**d me off.the man clearly new nothing ov what he was stateing!! "have you any experiance ov shooting" may have been a better way ov asking:?? tand im afraid there are some very gung ho shooting people out there that have little or no respect for the whole shooting and concervation side ov feild sports or ,most ov which wouldnt even know how to safely carry one let alone know which protected is a bird and which isnt!! Edited June 30, 2008 by ooty

[Yokel Matt 918]

"i clearly have very little experiance with shooting or guns" that pi**d me off.the man clearly new nothing ov what he was stateing!! "have you any experiance ov shooting" may have been a better way ov asking:??

 

Fair point... apologies.

 

'im afraid there are some very gung ho shooting people out there that have little or no respect for the whole shooting and concervation side ov feild sports or ,most ov which wouldnt even know how to safely carry one let alone know which protected is a bird and which isnt!!'

 

I agree there are bad apples out there in the shooting scene... also dogmen who give others a bad name. I just didn't think your statement was very fair to shooting. Hope there are no bad feelings, would just rather see less devision.

Edited June 30, 2008 by Local