Rabbithunter 456 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Just started on a new contract for a housing association, we are re-wiring in accordance to 17th edition. Now, between a few of us, there is a dispute about cross-bonding in the bathrooms, I know we still have to take a 10mm to the water & gas. But is that it? As all circuits are protected by RCBO's, is there any need to do any supplementary bonding. Personally, i think that all this bonding is a load of shite anyay. Imagine, you have an earthed sink, and an exposed live on a kettle, or such like. You are touching the sink, touch the kettle, boom, your a gonna, in most circumstances....... Whereas, if you touch the live wire, and do not touch an earthed surfaces, chances are, you'll get a tickle, and feel more awake for it. Anyway..... according to 17th edition, do you have to cross bond pipes, radiators....etc....... ALSO...... rather than using RCBO's (arse hole to test) can you not just use a split load board, protected by two RCD's.....and still comply with 17th? Cheers RH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 From my understanding you need to cross bond all metal pipework in the bathroom together, unless it's plastic and just a short piece of copper sticking out the wall, then don't bother. You need to use 4mm cable and also you need to run that 4mm also to any electrical circuits in the bathroom, normally just a lighting circuit. You can use a split load board with two rcd's instead of rcbos, i think you may need to check out about smoke alarms if they can be on on rcd, some boards have facility for non rcd as well as two rcds. I will give the NIC a call monday to find that out for myself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunhills 0 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 As from july when the 17th edition comes in supplementary earthing in bathrooms or shower rooms is no longer required. RCD's Or RCBO's will be required protect all circuits. You still require a 10mm2 to gas & water incoming supplies & the 16mm2 main bond.You can even have a 13amp skt in a bathroom if its in the right zone in 17th should be fun Regards Iv............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oneredtrim Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 (edited) . Edited June 21, 2008 by oneredtrim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbithunter 456 Posted June 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 also to any electrical circuits in the bathroom, normally just a lighting circuit. I didnt think that this needed done now. In the 16th edition, yes. But not the 17th? Perhaps its about time i got myself on an IEE wiring reg's 17th edition course Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbithunter 456 Posted June 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 As from july when the 17th edition comes in supplementary earthing in bathrooms or shower rooms is no longer required. RCD's Or RCBO's will be required protect all circuits. You still require a 10mm2 to gas & water incoming supplies & the 16mm2 main bond.You can even have a 13amp skt in a bathroom if its in the right zone in 17th should be fun Regards Iv............. Cheers GunHills No rest for the wicked, am away out to work, as i am tommorow...... Time & a Half today......£17 an hour Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maty j 6 Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 No rest for the wicked, am away out to work, as i am tommorow...... Time & a Half today......£17 an hour is that with the council job? you were wondering if you should go for it or not RH? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbithunter 456 Posted June 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 yes mate thats on the "council Job"..... well, we're subby'ing to the council...... Not bad work.... Good money.... and fecking good boss i have 25days holiday a year PLUS 8 statutory bankhols/crimbo....etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scouser3038 1 Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 How long do we have to complete the 17th? or can you just take a course on the ammendments from the 16th? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbithunter 456 Posted June 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 the 17th doesnt come into force until July, i think. If your are 16th qualified, i dont think you'd NEED to gain a 17th qualification, as long as your work is compliant with the 17th. I may be wrong thouhg? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maty j 6 Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) yes mate thats on the "council Job"..... well, we're subby'ing to the council...... Not bad work.... Good money.... and fecking good boss i have 25days holiday a year PLUS 8 statutory bankhols/crimbo....etc sounds good i was out on work experiance with the council a few years ago now and it wasnt too bad at all. it was a couple of different departments and non seemed that hard worked at all. i've just applyed for our council last week after seeing the advert in the paper and remembering about you'r other post. mostly refurbs etc they said and pritty sure they mentioned similar holidays as you. just hope i get in now Edited June 21, 2008 by maty j Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbithunter 456 Posted June 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 i'd rather subby for the council, than work for them direct. You usually find the pay isnt as good when your on their books.... What dept. of the council are you applying to maty J? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maty j 6 Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) the pay is nothing like your getting but its the work and more importantly the experiance more than anything i need. i've tryed most of the contractors and most are laying off rather than taking on but the council still have houses and flats to maintain. i had a chance to go with a contractor 2 yrs ago when i started college. my uncle was putting up some apartments so he had a word with the contractor but i wanted to get all the certificates etc out the way, now i'm finishing and have done all that no one is taking on. even had some turn me down as im too old so they have to pay me more! electrical department R, from what i understand its mostly maintenance that they do. Edited June 21, 2008 by maty j Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbithunter 456 Posted June 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 maintenance is the game to get into Maty J.... good luck with it mate. Thing about most trade's is you get taken advantage of for the first four years...low pay....all the shite jobs etc..... but when your qualified, yopu live the good life...... get your own apprentice's to take the piss out of The apprentice we had all week has a load to learn.......his connections arent tight enough, his CPC's aren't suffiecientently sleeved etc..... we tell him where he has gone wrong, and it seems like we're having a go at him, but its the only way he will learn......... As an apprentice, i took a lot of stick, and im glad that i did.....as i learned by my mistakes, and has made me into a better sparky....... in my apprenticeship i thought i'd never make it as a spark, but im now enjoying my job, something which i have never done Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nasher 1 Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 (edited) As from july when the 17th edition comes in supplementary earthing in bathrooms or shower rooms is no longer required. RCD's Or RCBO's will be required protect all circuits. You still require a 10mm2 to gas & water incoming supplies & the 16mm2 main bond.You can even have a 13amp skt in a bathroom if its in the right zone in 17th should be fun Regards Iv............. the 17th doesnt come into force until July, i think. If your are 16th qualified, i dont think you'd NEED to gain a 17th qualification, as long as your work is compliant with the 17th. I may be wrong thouhg? as for bonding in the bathroom the 17th edition still requires bonding unless you can prove its all at the same potential as for 16 th editon qualified you still need to do the 17 th edition update course its a 1 day update and its a long slog apparantly 9 till 7-8 in the evening as there is so many slides to take in believe me its boring our lecturer split it into 2 sessions and ive got the exam tuesday 1 hr 15 mins and 30 questions anyhow pm me and ive got a website with loads of sample papers which you answer and it marks them for you and lets you know if you passed or failed ive got all the passwords etc there normally £1.75 a pop and ive got 6 papers like i said pm me. atb nasher Edited June 22, 2008 by nasher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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