AMERICAN HUNTERS

[Guest pip]

That balloon Burns hasn t a clue about an earthdog and would shit them if he ever seen a goodun,thing is the book he wrote and the dogs he breeds all screams DOG DEALER to me.Hes the sort of plonker that gives the American terrier lads a a bad name.

 

"I walked on knowing full well mountain would soon leave its quarry and follow" BACKFILL

[FAT CITY 0]

PAT BURNS THE SELF CONFESSED GURU OF THE AMERICAN TERRIER WORLD POSTED A TOPIC ON HIS BLOG SAYING THE MOST SATISFYING THING TO DO IS BREED SMALL JRTs ?

 

THE DOGS HE SAID ARE OF SHOW STANDARD AND MUST BE OF GOOD WORKING QUALITY.THING IS LAST TIME I READ HIS BLOG HE BOSTED ABOUT HIOS BEST TERRIER ,WHICH HE CALLED OUT FROM WORKING SOMETHING,CAUSE HE COULD NT DIG IT?

 

IS THIS THE NORM IN THE STATES TO BREED DOGS THAT CAN BE CALLED OUT OR WILL WILLINGLY LEAVE QUARRY WHEN THEY DONT HEAR ACTIVITY ABOVE EM???

I can't speak for anybody else, but i have to go and get my dog

[Hoss1 3]

IS THIS THE NORM IN THE STATES TO BREED DOGS THAT CAN BE CALLED OUT OR WILL WILLINGLY LEAVE QUARRY WHEN THEY DONT HEAR ACTIVITY ABOVE EM???

 

Not the norm with the people we hunt with.

[Kye 77]

There are good lads over here,...GENUINE dog men.

 

There are knobs, and great people over here,...it just seems when you meet a real dog person, they are realy good and know the craic, but when you meet a dick, my God your in for a laugh!..lol.

 

I dont ask of anything special from my terriers....stay till dug too...i dont care if there mute/hard/bayers etc...just stay till dug too, and only one hole.

 

Kye,..

 

PS...Pleasure having you over mate, you are more than welcome any time...just bring more Branston pickle!..lol.

[Tiff 36]

and teabags please, we are almost out!

[Dux 5]

Howdy all,

 

I found this site while looking for a working Border Terrier. I have a Drahthaar who I hunt everything with and is constantly running vermin into their dens. Thought a terrier would turn failure into success. Great site, love to become a terrierman someday.

 

Then I looked into the regs here in Wisconsin and noted that it is illegal to disturb dens in anyway. Also illegal to allow a dog to kill any animal. Man, I gotta relocate! What a bunch of pansies we've become. Coyotes are dragging children off of playgrounds in California (What, 3 attacks in 5 weeks?!) and we sit on our hands.

[Waz 4,252]

Howdy all,

 

I found this site while looking for a working Border Terrier. I have a Drahthaar who I hunt everything with and is constantly running vermin into their dens. Thought a terrier would turn failure into success. Great site, love to become a terrierman someday.

 

Then I looked into the regs here in Wisconsin and noted that it is illegal to disturb dens in anyway. Also illegal to allow a dog to kill any animal. Man, I gotta relocate! What a bunch of pansies we've become. Coyotes are dragging children off of playgrounds in California (What, 3 attacks in 5 weeks?!) and we sit on our hands.

 

Dux im on the lookout possibly for a Drahthaar. Nice to hear yours is doing good.

[Dux 5]

Kate,

I'll take a closer look at the regs. However, the WI DNR lists the species I'm most interested in. Mostly out on Public Hunting Grounds during season & Industrial Parks off season, so I don't see much hope in being able to dig out vermin. We sure do see a lot of 'em. Currently contemplating becoming licensed for pest removal and trapping as a side gig and specializing only in the species my dog & I prefer. That might work.

 

Who's the breeder you mentioned? Can you PM me contact info? Borders really seem to be the ticket for me as I am extremely specific about what I want in my dogs. Think they'd go well with DDs also. Love watching my DD hit the afterburners and become a vermin seeking missile when he hits hot scent, woot!

 

GD Waz,

Let me know if you have any questions about the breed or a particular litter. I know many of the people in the VDD-Group North America, and their dogs. I'm researching and following bloodlines constantly, as are most of my DD friends. They are addictive. Suspect terrier work would grab me just as hard.

Waidmannsheil!

John & Dux vom Kennedy

[woolbr8stl 0]

I dont ask of anything special from my terriers....stay till dug too...i dont care if there mute/hard/bayers etc...just stay till dug too, and only one hole.

 

Kye,..

 

 

The folks here in the US which I know that hunt regularly don't hunt with dogs like PB's.

 

The only time I'll plead with my dog to get out of the hole is if it's on skunk. I've only had one out of three that will do that. She's the bayer of the bunch.

[bshadle 5]

I have one of those "worthless dogs with so little prey drive they can be called off quarry". I've worked really hard to get that level of recall and I place a lot of value on it. Frankly, from my preferences if my dog didn't come when I called regardless of what it prefered to be doing I'd be likely to let it there. That's just me. As far as small size, come hunt with me some time. I have tubes that a dog with a 14" span won't be able to navigate, especially early in the season.

 

I hunt a lot by myself, and in a lot of places where there's a good possibility of getting into undiggable situations in spite of my best efforts not to - under a building foundation, in an unharvested field where I don't have permission to dig (which is not only a quick way to lose permissions here but also a violation of our game laws that leads to a rather substantial fine). Additionally, we have critters over here that no dog is going to work - skunks and porcupines most notably. Being able to call my dog out has saved me potential grief as well as potential fines and loss of permissions.

 

I have one dog that I hunt. She's a bayer rather than a mixer. But I can hunt her two and three times a week when I have time. And get out two or three dozen times a year with her. More often if I had more free time, but unfortunately working for a living sometimes gets in the way of enjoying life. I have friends I hunt with that have those "good" dogs and take three or four dogs into the field for a day's hunt. Mine is still keeping up with their three or four at the end of the day and accounting for her share of quarry as well.

 

If I ran a kennel of dogs and didn't have to worry about losing one or having one laid up for a couple weeks, I might feel different. But everyone has their own ideal of what makes a good dog for them and their situation. I don't force anyone to hunt with my dog, nor do I criticize their dogs because they work and train them to a different standard than I prefer in mine.

 

Everyone's entitled to their own preference in dogs. I don't know it serves any purpose slagging someone else's dogs because it's not what you prefer. You don't like that type, don't feed it.

 

Finally, say what you want about PBurns and his dogs, but know that he neither breeds nor sells dogs. Other than selling his book he gets no profit from his opinions. And we all know about opinions.

[POSSUM 13]

I guess it is up to the fellow who buys the dogfood.....I personally would cull a dog that could be called off game, but if I'm not feeding the dog, why should I care....Daniel

[skeet 1]

Pip this season i was luckily enough to go over to the states for a month hunting, and boy i saw some gear taken i had a good few digs to raccons which are good game to dig and even lucky enough to dig an american badger that are super hard to find as they are nomadic and don't settle in one spot for long at all, once they know you are there they literately swim through the soil but we dug it with a well breed dog from england that lock on and held if for us.

 

When i went barn hunting for raccoons i saw some great russels hunt that were as good as you get the guy who invited us up there to hunt takes about 1000 head of raccoon a season roughly. He kennels russell's as he has a type that work for him i saw a few of his dogs work two in particular that really stuck in my mind one smaller bitch called badger who if i rember rightly was about 6-8 years of age who found well and still real hard on her quarry a bit to hard as she was laied up after two barns but you can't knock a hard dog, the guy brought out his old dog about 10 who didn't fail to find and still grabbed hold despite being worked hard every season of his life. One of the guys i stayed with out there kept two nice russell's one was retired and one was semi retired that we took barn hunting too, at the age of ten he worked every inch of the barn finding his quarry till we got there to sort the quarry out once we had done that he didn't want to rag or piss about but just search and find another real good dog IMHO and found in some odd places he had a noses on him like a hound. To the guys i stayed with in the states and the guy who invited us barn hunting i didn't have a bad work against them when it comes to terrier work one dog to ground and if that was dog was no good then it wasn't kenneled and their after care for the dogs was second to none to that really impressed me and their overall care for their dogs was just how it should be dogs feed grub, clean water, clean kennels, well exercised and the dogs well worked.

 

It's just ashame that the GENUINE terrier lads in the states are tared with the same shitty brush that the knob rots who kennel shit and talk shit and to tell the truth don't seem to know shit about terrier work. But thankfully there are lads who keep them selves to them selves over there and get on with with it not letting the yanks living the so called dream of the hunt terrier man in england bring them down and still work their dogs and test them.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[fish 148]

I guess it is up to the fellow who buys the dogfood.....I personally would cull a dog that could be called off game, but if I'm not feeding the dog, why should I care....Daniel

your right bud why should you

[Guest pip]

JUST TO ADD I KNOW THAT THERE ARE GOOD LADS AND LASSES IN THE STATES I VE BEEN CORRESPONDING WITH DEAND AND TIMJ AND A FEW LADY HUNTERS OCCASSIONALLY BUT REALLY TO BE HONEST I WAS HOPING FOR A POST FROM THE GREAT BURNS HIMSELF DEFENDING HIMSELF ABOUT WHAT HE RECKONS A DOG SHOULD DO TO MERIT IT BEING BRED OFF.

 

UNFORTUNATELY HE HASN T GOT THE BALLS TO COME ON AN OPEN FORUM ,INSTEAD PREFERING TO PONTIFIC AND ACCUSE AND MAKE CONDECENDING COMMENTS ABOUT WOMEN FROM HIS BLOG.

 

IF BURNS HAS ANYMORE TO ACCUSE ABOUT MAYBE HE COULD BRING IT TO THE OPEN FORUMS WHICH HE S ON ,THIS BEING ONE OF THEM.

[Tiff 36]

I believe that he used to post here, or on TC a few years ago?