Few more opinions...

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Hello everyone, just after a few more opinions on the following lurcher crosses...

 

beddy/whip x whip

beddy/whip x grey/whip

collie/grey x beddy whip

wheaton/grey x whippet

 

Basically im after a general mooching/rabbit dog and have been advised towards these sort of crosses. I have considered a pure whippet as the size would be great (after a small dog). But would like a rough or broken coat i think, for protection to the dog and i just prefer the look to be honest.

 

So can anyone reccomend anything further or advise on the above?

 

What would the temperament of some of the above dogs be like? Particularly the 3/4 whip 1/4 beddy, would they take on the 'couch potatoe' attributes of the whippets when in the house?

 

Thanks all

 

Gaz

[Guest dog on]

Hello everyone, just after a few more opinions on the following lurcher crosses...

 

beddy/whip x whip

beddy/whip x grey/whip

collie/grey x beddy whip

wheaton/grey x whippet

 

Basically im after a general mooching/rabbit dog and have been advised towards these sort of crosses. I have considered a pure whippet as the size would be great (after a small dog). But would like a rough or broken coat i think, for protection to the dog and i just prefer the look to be honest.

 

So can anyone reccomend anything further or advise on the above?

 

What would the temperament of some of the above dogs be like? Particularly the 3/4 whip 1/4 beddy, would they take on the 'couch potatoe' attributes of the whippets when in the house?

 

Thanks all

 

Gaz

why beddy x whip not whipxbeddy

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Not being funny but whats the difference? Is this the order of which breed is the sire and which the dam?

 

Which would be better in your opinion?

 

Thanks

 

Gaz

[Guest dog on]

to be honest i dont know it was something i was wondering about can any body let me know why they dont use the beddy bitch more it just seems to be the dog used more i was told that they like to keep the beddy bitch pure

Edited April 9, 2008 by dog on

[Bosun11 537]

to be honest i dont know it was something i was wondering about can any body let me know why they dont use the beddy bitch more it just seems to be the dog used more i was told that they like to keep the beddy bitch pure

 

I think thats about right Dog on, though there is still the case of lurchers being produced with a running dog (Grey or Whip) as they were/are easily available (and cheeper) and depending on the cross a 26"-27" Greyhound should pass pups more easily?

 

My opinion would be thats whats always been and is still the case.....?

 

I mentioned this to Doxhope a while back in a PM regarding Deerhound X's.

I'll explain......

One of my first jobs as a kid was a lifeguard in a local swimming pool, an old guy, Jim, was the boilerman and an old lurcherman, he bred and ran dogs with John Nuttall of Clitheroe (not to be mistaken with Brian) in the 60's & 70's. Nuttall is mentioned in Plummers first book on lurchers (1976).

Anyway's, pre saluki, deerhounds were the dogs for hares and Jim was then a tennant farmer on Altcar estate, he lost it due to his coursing activities. Jim always stated that using a deerhound bitch to a greyhound dog produced a 'better' dog in the field and when Nuttall and himself produced this way they were unbeatable, far better than using a greyhound bitch. To him this was the 'only' way to produce good lurchers.

He said that to purchase a good deerhound bitch was expensive and once she was put to a greyhound, for lurchers, could not be bred back to a deerhound stud as she had been 'tainted' and further pups wouldn't be pure???

I also once read a old book by Oppenhimer (spelling?) who produced the Ormandy EBT's. His house dog was a bitch that had gotten out and had a litter to a street mutt, he refused to breed her to any EBT stud after that as she would not be 'pure'??

 

 

Cheers

[skycat 6,174]

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I mentioned this to Doxhope a while back in a PM regarding Deerhound X's.

further pups wouldn't be pure???

I also once read a old book by Oppenhimer (spelling?) who produced the Ormandy EBT's. His house dog was a bitch that had gotten out and had a litter to a street mutt, he refused to breed her to any EBT stud after that as she would not be 'pure'??

 

 

Cheers

 

That old wives' tale!! Obviously they had no knowledge of biology! I reckon it goes back to a time when there were no actual pure pure breeds as we know them today, when a litter could produce a pup that had thrown back to a different type in the ancestors. Like a rough coat in an otherwise smooth line. It's a common fallacy amongst old timers in the Greyhound world as well. When people didn't really know how traits were inherited it must have been easy to go down this road with the 'tainted' theory! they even applied it to women!

[bill88 6]

to be honest i dont know it was something i was wondering about can any body let me know why they dont use the beddy bitch more it just seems to be the dog used more i was told that they like to keep the beddy bitch pure

 

I'm sure its more to do with size dog on,i.e using the smaller dog over the bigger bitch (whippet bitch being 18.5-20 inch,and the beddy dog being about 17 inch depending on type)so that the bitch wasnt struggling with big pups at the birth.

 

Edited to add,My beddyxwhippet bitch is actually bred WhippetxBeddy the sire being the Whippet.

[Bosun11 537]

Bill, Skycat, I agree with both of you but as I said thats the mindset of what has been and what has been handed down through the years......

[Guest dog on]

to be honest i dont know it was something i was wondering about can any body let me know why they dont use the beddy bitch more it just seems to be the dog used more i was told that they like to keep the beddy bitch pure

 

I'm sure its more to do with size dog on,i.e using the smaller dog over the bigger bitch (whippet bitch being 18.5-20 inch,and the beddy dog being about 17 inch depending on type)so that the bitch wasnt struggling with big pups at the birth.

 

Edited to add,My beddyxwhippet bitch is actually bred WhippetxBeddy the sire being the Whippet.

the same with mine .he is a strong looking dog but 20 inch tall .so gaz you will have to see the parents to see what hight the pups will make and it dont seem to make mutch diference which way round the breeding as far as temperment goes i cant fault mine but on the very odd ocaision he ignores me completly .iv had a few other lurchers all good dogs different x and i would deffinetly have a nother 1 of this x again it does what i ask and if things go the right way i can put you on to a well breed pup if you can wait .PM me if your interested and i will explain.THANKS all for the replys on which way around Edited April 9, 2008 by dog on

[Billie-Boy 0]

whippet/ collie /greyhound you cant beat em...

speed brains and sight...

all you need for a real good rabbiting/general all rounder dog

[Caravan Monster 323]

Hello everyone, just after a few more opinions on the following lurcher crosses...

 

Don' t get too hung up on the exact cross. Look for good breeding. By the sounds of it, you would like a whippety lurcher, which may suit your requirements well- quick off the mark and turn well- generally good for rabbiting and pleasant, easy going dogs to have around.

 

What I' m trying to say, is look for litters bred from succesful working dogs rather than trying to fulfill a mathematical equation about breeding- it gives a better chance of a sound type of dog. Like you say, a pure whippet might be a good option. Anyway, this site is a good place to start for references about dogs being bred, and, ask about, and indeed look for, litters of that type of lurcher.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Thanks to everyone who has replied.

 

I appreciate what is being said about not getting hung up on an exact cross and this it very true. I do like the whippety lurchers yes and i would consider a pure whippet i guess.

 

Thanks again to all and i will cont. my research.

 

Thanks

 

Gaz

[heart of wales 19]

Have had both Beddlington xWhippets and pure whippets Coursing bred top lines,and my opinion is that for what you want you cannot beat the Beddlington x Whippet well working bred of course.

The Beddy Whip crosses I had would go through walls for a rabbit not afraid to tackle fox pre ban of course and take feather to good luck hopr you pick a good un