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[WILF 52,948]

27 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

Do you think your system would work at a bigger scale WILF? What your saying all makes sense but from what I can make out from this cattle game it’s no different from horses your trying to produce something that the market wants to buy. And in Ireland that is big cattle. Big difference farming for fun and making it into a business. I’m scratching my head on a daily basis seeing the bills that land here 

Ahh, now there is the can of worms and the bigger conversation mate.

But basically, yes, it can be made to work on a bigger scale because it is being done right at this moment….not only abroad but in the U.K. as well (can’t remember the name of the big farming estate that does it but I’ll try and look it up) 

Theres lads here doing it, you can do the farm walks through an organisation called Farming For Nature….they are all getting a living mate…..difference is, most of them market their product as beef box direct sales but there’s a lad near me gets €14 kg for his beef and he is sold out all the time and won’t take a penny less, he don’t have to.

But the can of worms is, the system isn’t designed and don’t want you to do it for all sorts of reasons 

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@Halfhound I sent you a message with a contact, worth a look if you are looking to lower inputs.

The lad has been all round the world working on this stuff, he knows his onions.

[Halfhound 1,118]

8 minutes ago, WILF said:

Ahh, now there is the can of worms and the bigger conversation mate.

But basically, yes, it can be made to work on a bigger scale because it is being done right at this moment….not only abroad but in the U.K. as well (can’t remember the name of the big farming estate that does it but I’ll try and look it up) 

Theres lads here doing it, you can do the farm walks through an organisation called Farming For Nature….they are all getting a living mate…..difference is, most of them market their product as beef box direct sales but there’s a lad near me gets €14 kg for his beef and he is sold out all the time and won’t take a penny less, he don’t have to.

But the can of worms is, the system isn’t designed and don’t want you to do it for all sorts of reasons 

I can see it being easier to do on a very small scale and it probably can be done on a big scale such as a big estate with 1000 acres and all the silage in the world to bring home it’s the lads such as my sons who are stuck in the middle. As many cattle as possible with fingers crossed weather allows you make enough feeding. I think we’ve had 4 different salesmen here in the last week selling meal and horse nuts. Two of them were with different companies last year and both had the best nuts on offer last year but now they’ve changed they have the best again. Shithouses

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1 minute ago, Halfhound said:

I can see it being easier to do on a very small scale and it probably can be done on a big scale such as a big estate with 1000 acres and all the silage in the world to bring home it’s the lads such as my sons who are stuck in the middle. As many cattle as possible with fingers crossed weather allows you make enough feeding. I think we’ve had 4 different salesmen here in the last week selling meal and horse nuts. Two of them were with different companies last year and both had the best nuts on offer last year but now they’ve changed they have the best again. Shithouses

And there’s the system in a nutshell mate, it’s designed to forever sell you this stuff….like spraying off a field, you will still have to spray it agin the year after and the year after that and the year after that and by the way, you will have to buy bags and bags of nitrogen to fix the lack of it in a monoculture grass field which you could have done totally free with mixed species sward instead……there’s millions of tons of totally free nitrogen just floating around in the air and clover and legumes will capture and fix tons of the stuff in your soil for free !! More than you could ever buy !!

Mental isn’t it…..trouble is, that don’t earn the nitrogen salesman much commission ! lol 

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7 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

I can see it being easier to do on a very small scale and it probably can be done on a big scale such as a big estate with 1000 acres and all the silage in the world to bring home it’s the lads such as my sons who are stuck in the middle. As many cattle as possible with fingers crossed weather allows you make enough feeding. I think we’ve had 4 different salesmen here in the last week selling meal and horse nuts. Two of them were with different companies last year and both had the best nuts on offer last year but now they’ve changed they have the best again. Shithouses

I bet the lad in Sligo selling his beef boxes at €14 a kilo ain’t got 200 acres….nothing like it, so it can work small scale.

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19 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

I can see it being easier to do on a very small scale and it probably can be done on a big scale such as a big estate with 1000 acres and all the silage in the world to bring home it’s the lads such as my sons who are stuck in the middle. As many cattle as possible with fingers crossed weather allows you make enough feeding. I think we’ve had 4 different salesmen here in the last week selling meal and horse nuts. Two of them were with different companies last year and both had the best nuts on offer last year but now they’ve changed they have the best again. Shithouses

The best nuts!

Chancers, you gotta love em!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Just a moment...

WWW.FARMINGFORNATURE.IE

This mob in Ireland are well worth a look.

In the meet our farmers section there are 3 equine places using this system 

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[mC HULL 18,407]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

Ahh, now there is the can of worms and the bigger conversation mate.

But basically, yes, it can be made to work on a bigger scale because it is being done right at this moment….not only abroad but in the U.K. as well (can’t remember the name of the big farming estate that does it but I’ll try and look it up) 

Theres lads here doing it, you can do the farm walks through an organisation called Farming For Nature….they are all getting a living mate…..difference is, most of them market their product as beef box direct sales but there’s a lad near me gets €14 kg for his beef and he is sold out all the time and won’t take a penny less, he don’t have to.

But the can of worms is, the system isn’t designed and don’t want you to do it for all sorts of reasons 

Some giod points

But Food wise grains etc you'd never be able to do it mate organic to not the yield will be hugely different then there gm modified aswell your not getting close to the results organic 

 

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16 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

Some giod points

But Food wise grains etc you'd never be able to do it mate organic to not the yield will be hugely different then there gm modified aswell your not getting close to the results organic 

 

At the moment !…..that’s the bit you’re not thinking about mate.

At some point they won’t be able to grow food at all because most of the soil will be as good as sand on a beach……

We can produce about 60% of our own food on a hugely artificially over populated island……as I said, it’s a massive and far reaching conversation but the bottom line is if we don’t do something different we won’t be able to produce any of it domestically, we will be relying on importing stuff from others and that’s a lethal position to be in ! 
And, when done properly your assertion that you can’t get the yield just don’t stack up.

Have a look for yourself 

 

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11 minutes ago, WILF said:

At the moment !…..that’s the bit you’re not thinking about mate.

At some point they won’t be able to grow food at all because most of the soil will be as good as sand on a beach……

We can produce about 60% of our own food on a hugely artificially over populated island……as I said, it’s a massive and far reaching conversation but the bottom line is if we don’t do something different we won’t be able to produce any of it domestically, we will be relying on importing stuff from others and that’s a lethal position to be in ! 
And, when done properly your assertion that you can’t get the yield just don’t stack up.

Have a look for yourself 

 

Ill have a watch later mate  

I dont think You cant compete with chemical feed mate organically 

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1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

Ill have a watch later mate  

I dont think You cant compete with chemical feed mate organically 

Do have a watch, it’s eye opening stuff mate