A little daunted BUT..

[philpot 5,166]

£26 down and the Birchwood Casey Perma Blue kit arrived yesterday from Ramsbottoms. Today I made a start using the kit items and following the instruction booklet to the letter. 

Three cleans with Cleaner Degreaser, washing and drying between treatments.

A seriously good treatment of Blue and Rust Remover then washing and drying.

Apply the Perma Blue using both the mop supplied and fine wire wool.

FECKING SHITE

I am so bloody pissed off, the surface is streaky and patchy. Contacted Ramsbottoms, they dont know the product, some feckin help that is, I have also emailed Birchwood Casey in the states to get some help and I have no option but to wait and see what they come back with and at the same time Ramsbottoms have a piece of my mind and advised them that they have 'Duty of care ' to me so get something sorted.

I could chuck this whole fecking outfit in the sea and trust me, it has crossed my mind.

If these cannot be improved somehow, I have little choice but to spray paint the gun but that will be another £30+ for a primer, paint and top coat and I am really not sure if I can be bothered, at the moment it is going to be put to one side and forgotten about until I want some more abuse or if Birchwood casey can offer me some good advice but I am not holding too much hope.

Without any doubt whatsoever, I will not be renovating any gun ever again..................

[Daniel cain 50,541]

Take a deep breath....and give Big Mac a PM

[philpot 5,166]

37 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

Take a deep breath....and give Big Mac a PM

Jimmy knows the issues I have had but not this one so no doubt we will be talking soon but I am going to wait to hear back from Birchwood Casey then we will see what they suggest Daniel. If all else fails, spray paint..........

Phil

[philpot 5,166]

Going on some US sites, I found that cold bluing doesn't work on nickel steel leaving the sort of stains I have on mine. With this in mind, I can only guess that this gun fits that group so I don't think it is worth messing around any more waiting for a response from Birchwood Casey as I doubt it will ever come.

I have just been talking to my shooting buddy who has a nice heated garage so I think we will set up a spray station in there once I have the paints and get it done once and for all. I know some of you will turn your nose up at painted metalwork but I can live with it and it is really the only course of action open to me as I have no intention of stripping it down and trying hot bluing,  I know when I am beaten..............

[bigmac 97kt 13,860]

On 22/01/2026 at 13:33, philpot said:

Going on some US sites, I found that cold bluing doesn't work on nickel steel leaving the sort of stains I have on mine. With this in mind, I can only guess that this gun fits that group so I don't think it is worth messing around any more waiting for a response from Birchwood Casey as I doubt it will ever come.

I have just been talking to my shooting buddy who has a nice heated garage so I think we will set up a spray station in there once I have the paints and get it done once and for all. I know some of you will turn your nose up at painted metalwork but I can live with it and it is really the only course of action open to me as I have no intention of stripping it down and trying hot bluing,  I know when I am beaten..............

They did not do a nickel and stainles barrel or action on the 77 Phil so it should still take the bluing 

It may be just a case of finding the right one that Will take to it 

[philpot 5,166]

45 minutes ago, bigmac 97kt said:

They did not do a nickel and stainles barrel or action on the 77 Phil so it should still take the bluing 

It may be just a case of finding the right one that Will take to it 

I wonder if it is worthwhile phoning Hull Cartridge to see if they know because I could buy another 10 products and be no better off. After all Jimmy I have used the two most popular products on the UK market.

[bigmac 97kt 13,860]

20 hours ago, philpot said:

I wonder if it is worthwhile phoning Hull Cartridge to see if they know because I could buy another 10 products and be no better off. After all Jimmy I have used the two most popular products on the UK market.

Its a pity we cant get that Hobbies

Gun blue anymore in this country 

That i used on the Diana that i did for si 

[molehill 27]

Aww bugger. Bite the bullet. Strip it (its simple) send it to that creakoting place you mentioned. A tack driver you mention, well worth the effort. Clean  out polish piston, new piston seal and refit same spring. Spraypaint will soon look shite (i made that mistake - you will regret it) too good of a gun to bodge especially if you get the stock looking good. 

[bigmac 97kt 13,860]

On 24/01/2026 at 18:30, molehill said:

Aww bugger. Bite the bullet. Strip it (its simple) send it to that creakoting place you mentioned. A tack driver you mention, well worth the effort. Clean  out polish piston, new piston seal and refit same spring. Spraypaint will soon look shite (i made that mistake - you will regret it) too good of a gun to bodge especially if you get the stock looking good. 

100 percent agree mate get it done 

Phil

[philpot 5,166]

I have used car paint with good primer coats, 2 colour coats and 3 or 4 clear top coats will do the job as I am very protective with any of shooting, archery and fishing gear so I feel it is worth going that route and I can do this without a full strip down. I know some of you guys think nothing of a full strip down but for me this is bloody major, I know..... it's me but there it is, I am not stripping it down.

[mitre 519]

Time and patience and using the the right stuff but you have to watch how much it could run into bluing cream polish cream gun oils and paint stripper it all mounts up and then other things buffer washers and seals and the main spring they're can  come at a price and then you get her lady ship wife moaning you have not treated her to a nails done or a pedicure 

[philpot 5,166]

11 hours ago, mitre said:

Time and patience and using the the right stuff but you have to watch how much it could run into bluing cream polish cream gun oils and paint stripper it all mounts up and then other things buffer washers and seals and the main spring they're can  come at a price and then you get her lady ship wife moaning you have not treated her to a nails done or a pedicure 

You say ' finding the right stuff ' BUT how many products do I buy to try and find the right stuff, it can go on and on because they all work according to youtube footage so just keep throwing money at it.............................feck it.