scarteen terrriers

[Carlovian 579]

I bet like most hunts , it just meant the terriers they had at the kennels , rather than a distinct breed

Edited July 23, 2018 by Carlovian

[Kerny92 1,246]

On 21/07/2018 at 12:07, downsouth said:

Probably just another bullshit theory invented in plummers head to help fill a page.

It's a wonder you haven't jumped on the bandwagon. 

[Peter Leemooch 160]

any time i heard about the scarteen i was told it come from the Ryan family with the hunt in Limerick a think it was they still have an annual horsing event or maybes it nowt to do with the terriers

[p3d 879]

On 20/07/2018 at 17:33, grompz said:

This letter was first published by DB plummer in 1982 issue of shooting times, apparently col hancock had mentioned the influence of the irish terrier on the fell/ Lakeland terrier, some years ago the scarteen foxhounds bred a smooth or slope coated fell terrier of the type developed by bray and buck. these terrriers were aptly named by the cumbrians who imported them, would any of you older terriermen, be able to cast any light on the origin of these terriers,probably now a non existent breed.

G,

The original Irish terriers came in different colours, Red, Black and Tan etc.. see a photograph from 1910 below. Small rough terriers, probably not unlike the terriers all over these Islands at that time. IMO it is probably more correct to say that the dogs from both regions, Ireland and the North of England were crossed with each other. The  case of which came first is probably lost to history.

 

The Scarteen Hunt appear to have favoured white terriers if the available photographs are to be believed.

  

John R Ryan  around 1935 (the young lad standing in front) The terrier looks like a strong russell type. These can be found in the field today all over Munster in the South of Ireland.

Scarteen meet outside the old house around 1940? maybe even earlier. White terrier in front.

There is probably more evidence out there if anyone has access to the Hunt itself.

[EDDIE B 3,118]

I would think the Scarteen terrier is simply a line of terriers bred by the hunt. They probably bred, and kept them amongst themselves. So instead of attaching the name of a breeder to the line, they attached the name of the hunt. 

[Peter Leemooch 160]

cheers for the photo’s good pictures mate

[grompz 703]

17 hours ago, p3d said:

G,

The original Irish terriers came in different colours, Red, Black and Tan etc.. see a photograph from 1910 below. Small rough terriers, probably not unlike the terriers all over these Islands at that time. IMO it is probably more correct to say that the dogs from both regions, Ireland and the North of England were crossed with each other. The  case of which came first is probably lost to history.

 

The Scarteen Hunt appear to have favoured white terriers if the available photographs are to be believed.

  

John R Ryan  around 1935 (the young lad standing in front) The terrier looks like a strong russell type. These can be found in the field today all over Munster in the South of Ireland.

Scarteen meet outside the old house around 1940? maybe even earlier. White terrier in front.

There is probably more evidence out there if anyone has access to the Hunt itself.

many thanks for the photos and replies to this topic lads,a good response to what iwas expecting, a lot of you lads certainly know your stuff and come up with some  very intresting facts, long may it continue.