Kovalev Vs Ward.

[gnasher16 31,602]

 

 

He was doing his best to nullify Ward as that's all he basically does in fights, wrestle and hit in clinches. Although he was controlling Ward for the most part he got caught up in the wrestling rubbish instead of doing his own thing.

 

The way the judges scored the fight means they had Ward winning 7 rounds, can you tell me the 7 rounds he won because if I'm being generous I can only give the man 4-5 rounds. No way in hell did he take the belts from the champion IMO.

 

I really dont want to sound like a prick but a lot of fighters and ex fighters would appreciate the technical performance of Ward that straight out boxing fans would not of even noticed like i already said Kovalev won his rounds bigger and in a more obvious way but the way Ward was circling and off setting Kovalevs attacks up close was beautiful to watch from a technical point of view.....a big puncher like Kovalev doesnt want to be off balance when loading up and Ward never gave him the luxury of a static target he was constantly changing the angles it was a brilliant defensive display i guess you could say he was a poor mans Mayweather......Mayweather is a defensive genius who can master distance and timing whereas Ward does it in a different way,a more technical way that doesnt rely on reflexes like Mayweather can.

 

I couldnt tell you what rounds he won no i only watched the fight once so cant remember but i know Kovalev barely won a round in the second half of the fight but i say again i wouldnt argue strongly on a Ward win it was a very close fight that could of gone either way.

With all due respect most fighters and ex fighters had Kovalev winning. Kovalev out landed Ward in every punch stat and scored the knockdown. Only because Ward improved doesn't necessarily mean he was winning the fight. I think seeing Ward survive what looked like was going to be an early blast out and making the fight competitive made the judges subconsciously side with the underdog. Like I said, can anyone tell me the 7 rounds Ward won because for the life of me I just can't see it. Kovalev deserved the win, even the ref has tweeted that I believed Kovalev deserved it. I've always believed aggression should outscore defence because you won't get much fighting if two fighters ran away from each other. I hope the rematch happens ASAP, it needs to.

 

If you give all the 50/50 rounds to Kovalev then of course you wont find 7 rounds that Ward won......why should aggression beat defence if theres no result at the end of it a fighter gets marked on ring generalship he doesnt get marked on walking forward Kovalev was hopeless at cutting the ring down and rarely got his big punches off Ward gave him questions that he didnt know how to answer why should that be looked on favourably.......i dont normally go a lot on what tv pundits say they all seem a bit safe and polite to me but i do like listening to that Malignagi chap he has a fantastic understanding on the working mechanics of a fight i would imagine many fighters could listen and concur with a lot of what he says.....i just wish he,d f****n slow down a bit i was just listening to this i agree with everything he says here he explains it very well.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZX0dKyastQ

Edited November 22, 2016 by gnasher16

[DogFox123 1,379]

Seriously though if you can be assed watch the fight again with the sound down. Two of the judges didn't give Kovalev one round after the sixth, not one round?!?!?!

 

Paulie normally does well but I can recall in the sixth round, Kovalev was clearly winning the round and all I could hear from him was how well Ward was was doing. Definitely some home grown cooking going off there IMO. Kovalev definitely won rounds after the 6th and if doing so he gets the draw and keeps his titles. Like I said, in my eyes it wasn't the worst robbery of all time but it was a robbery nevertheless.

Edited November 22, 2016 by DogFox123

[gnasher16 31,602]

Seriously though if you can be assed watch the fight again with the sound down. Two of the judges didn't give Kovalev one round after the sixth, not one round?!?!?!

 

Paulie normally does well but I can recall in the sixth round, Kovalev was clearly winning the round and all I could hear from him was how well Ward was was doing. Definitely some home grown cooking going off there IMO. Kovalev definitely won rounds after the 6th and if doing so he gets the draw and keeps his titles. Like I said, in my eyes it wasn't the worst robbery of all time but it was a robbery nevertheless.

Thats probably because he was seeing a lot of things that perhaps you couldnt see a fighter will see things that are a lot less obvious to a fan.....he breaks things down very well verbally but it can still be difficult for folk to understand the complexity of whats happening in there sometimes....you said Ward isnt an exciting fighter and no he,s not but that doesnt mean he isnt fascinating to watch technically sometimes winning a fight doesnt require an exciting shoot out it needs a methodical mind.

 

I go to a lot of fights mate im used to watching without a commentary i dont get blinded by what commentators/pundits say....for me the only obviously clear round was the knockdown round the rest is up for debate and we all see things different,that doesnt make it a robbery just a close take your pick type of fight.

Edited November 22, 2016 by gnasher16

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

Seriously though if you can be assed watch the fight again with the sound down. Two of the judges didn't give Kovalev one round after the sixth, not one round?!?!?!

 

Paulie normally does well but I can recall in the sixth round, Kovalev was clearly winning the round and all I could hear from him was how well Ward was was doing. Definitely some home grown cooking going off there IMO. Kovalev definitely won rounds after the 6th and if doing so he gets the draw and keeps his titles. Like I said, in my eyes it wasn't the worst robbery of all time but it was a robbery nevertheless.

Thats probably because he was seeing a lot of things that perhaps you couldnt see a fighter will see things that are a lot less obvious to a fan.....he breaks things down very well verbally but it can still be difficult for folk to understand the complexity of whats happening in there sometimes....you said Ward isnt an exciting fighter and no he,s not but that doesnt mean he isnt fascinating to watch technically sometimes winning a fight doesnt require an exciting shoot out it needs a methodical mind.

 

I go to a lot of fights mate im used to watching without a commentary i dont get blinded by what commentators/pundits say....for me the only obviously clear round was the knockdown round the rest is up for debate and we all see things different,that doesnt make it a robbery just a close take your pick type of fight.

What things were that then? How come most other fighters didn't see these things including Roy Jones Jnr? I've just rewatched the fight again tonight and Ward doesn't show any technical brilliance in there. Ward was scrappy and gritty I'll give him that but I don't see any of this technical mastery in his victory at all. The only clean shots Ward landed in the fight was a few jabs and some body shots, he didn't land anything of any significance. Kovalev's jab was a potent weapon till the end and won him the fight. Kovalev out boxed the boxer and scored a knockdown, I think he will win the rematch. Edited November 22, 2016 by DogFox123

[gnasher16 31,602]

 

What things were that then? How come most other fighters didn't see these things including Roy Jones Jnr? I've just rewatched the fight again tonight and Ward doesn't show any technical brilliance in there. Ward was scrappy and gritty I'll give him that but I don't see any of this technical mastery in his victory at all. The only clean shots Ward landed in the fight was a few jabs and some body shots, he didn't land anything of any significance. Kovalev's jab was a potent weapon till the end and won him the fight. Kovalev out boxed the boxer and scored a knockdown, I think he will win the rematch.

 

When you say " most fighters " is it a worldwide survey you have done or just a few fighters on the telly......maybe you cant see it because your not entirely sure what your supposed to be looking for the guy you fancied to win lost mate it happens to me all the time nothing to have a big inquest over.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

What things were that then? How come most other fighters didn't see these things including Roy Jones Jnr? I've just rewatched the fight again tonight and Ward doesn't show any technical brilliance in there. Ward was scrappy and gritty I'll give him that but I don't see any of this technical mastery in his victory at all. The only clean shots Ward landed in the fight was a few jabs and some body shots, he didn't land anything of any significance. Kovalev's jab was a potent weapon till the end and won him the fight. Kovalev out boxed the boxer and scored a knockdown, I think he will win the rematch.

 

When you say " most fighters " is it a worldwide survey you have done or just a few fighters on the telly......maybe you cant see it because your not entirely sure what your supposed to be looking for the guy you fancied to win lost mate it happens to me all the time nothing to have a big inquest over.

Most of the fighters that have been interviewed, commentators, sports writers, the public all believe Kovalev won. I do know what I'm looking for though. Can anyone tell me the technical brilliance Ward showed in there. Kovalev won the fight with his jab, it was the only consistent weapon in there. Ward was out landed and dropped. I even watched the fight again yesterday and there's only one winner and it ain't Ward. Of course we both know there's been much bigger robberies but the result was unjust in my opinion.

[gnasher16 31,602]

 

Most of the fighters that have been interviewed, commentators, sports writers, the public all believe Kovalev won. I do know what I'm looking for though. Can anyone tell me the technical brilliance Ward showed in there.

 

Get yourself into a boxing gym you,ll find that " most " quickly turn to 50/50........i could tell you the technical brilliance Ward showed but somehow i think it would go right over your head and you would probably end up giving out a load of verbals so i,ll do us both a favour and not bother.....listen to that Malignagi dude he,ll give you a few pointers.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

Most of the fighters that have been interviewed, commentators, sports writers, the public all believe Kovalev won. I do know what I'm looking for though. Can anyone tell me the technical brilliance Ward showed in there.

 

Get yourself into a boxing gym you,ll find that " most " quickly turn to 50/50........i could tell you the technical brilliance Ward showed but somehow i think it would go right over your head and you would probably end up giving out a load of verbals so i,ll do us both a favour and not bother.....listen to that Malignagi dude he,ll give you a few pointers.

Don't worry son I've been to plenty of boxing gyms over the years. You're not the only bloke on here to have done a bit.... I guess these things that went over my head and many others could only be seen by an ex heavyweight boxer hahaha. Me thinks you can't tell me anything about Ward's technical brilliance and now you're looking for a cop out, enlighten me please.....

 

I did listen to Paulie, normally he's a decent analyst but for that fight he was wrong, in my opinion of course and most others mind.

Edited November 24, 2016 by DogFox123

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

Most of the fighters that have been interviewed, commentators, sports writers, the public all believe Kovalev won. I do know what I'm looking for though. Can anyone tell me the technical brilliance Ward showed in there.

 

Get yourself into a boxing gym you,ll find that " most " quickly turn to 50/50........i could tell you the technical brilliance Ward showed but somehow i think it would go right over your head and you would probably end up giving out a load of verbals so i,ll do us both a favour and not bother.....listen to that Malignagi dude he,ll give you a few pointers.

Don't worry son I've been to plenty of boxing gyms over the years. You're not the only bloke on here to have done a bit.... I guess these things that went over my head and many others could only be seen by an ex heavyweight boxer hahaha. Me thinks you can't tell me anything about Ward's technical brilliance and now you're looking for a cop out, enlighten me please.....

 

I did listen to Paulie, normally he's a decent analyst but for that fight he was wrong, in my opinion of course and most others mind.

Plenty boxing gyms over the years? Gym hopper?

I boxed as an amateur as a kid but never went that step further once I tasted beer and women. Been training on and off since then. What's wrong with going to different gyms??? I'm thinking Ryan Rhodes new gym soon

, heard some good reviews off a few Sheffield lads. Fancy a bit of training my old chestnut?

[socks 32,253]

Seems you've offered everybody body up for a dance except somebody like gnasher that's actually boxed ... mmmm selective eh ........

[DogFox123 1,379]

Seems you've offered everybody body up for a dance except somebody like gnasher that's actually boxed ... mmmm selective eh ........

Read my comments simpleton, I said everyone is welcome to the party......

 

I'd happily spar with Gnasher, that's what tends to happen when you train, no biggie. If you're worried about sparring then it's best not to go you get my Sgt Bilko....

[socks 32,253]

Oh I wouldn't dance in the ring with you rocky you sound far to tough for me ... boxed as an amateur .... that's some scary shit ... count me out ........

[DogFox123 1,379]

Oh I wouldn't dance in the ring with you rocky you sound far to tough for me ... boxed as an amateur .... that's some scary shit ... count me out ........

If you had any clue about the sport you'd know sparring isn't scary. I thought being a Vet a few love taps wouldn't make you tremble at the knees....

[socks 32,253]

I dont normally get scared but you are a very tough man ......

[DogFox123 1,379]

I dont normally get scared but you are a very tough man ......

Not half as tough as you Uncle Albert.....

 

Listen I know you can't get me out of your mind, I can't escape you on here. You're coming at me from all angles. You want to show me your medals don't you, go on then if you're offering....