Any Apbt Folks On Here?

[Carlovian 593]

 

Not particularly interested in photographs myself but would be interested to see a few peds if you have bred your own line for 26 years......not to be critical i just think you can tell a lot about a mans understanding of bulldogs from his peds over enough time,particularly if they are down off well known dogs.......it would also be interesting to see what Floyd was putting out towards the end.

Tbh the Eastern Europeans know little about line breeding and such, they are generally scatterbred dogs selected from best to best matings...

 

Are tight bred dogs any better bred,,? the east European dogs are as good as any dogs,,, its the results that show if a breeding is good, plenty of these tight bred dogs ,,like Mayfield, Colby , Old family red nose strains,,usually bred for their peds ,,, and have a low percentage of good dogs...

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

Not particularly interested in photographs myself but would be interested to see a few peds if you have bred your own line for 26 years......not to be critical i just think you can tell a lot about a mans understanding of bulldogs from his peds over enough time,particularly if they are down off well known dogs.......it would also be interesting to see what Floyd was putting out towards the end.

Tbh the Eastern Europeans know little about line breeding and such, they are generally scatterbred dogs selected from best to best matings...

Are tight bred dogs any better bred,,? the east European dogs are as good as any dogs,,, its the results that show if a breeding is good, plenty of these tight bred dogs ,,like Mayfield, Colby , Old family red nose strains,,usually bred for their peds ,,, and have a low percentage of good dogs...

Let's be honest if one method was obviously superior to others then everybody would go the same way. I know the Europeans like to beat their own chests regarding their dogs but I'm guessing the best dogs are still found in the States and Mexico, Japan will have good dogs too IMO.

[BGD 6,437]

You might make a good box dog out of scatterbred dogs but will it be able to reproduce in a consistent manner? With tight family bred dogs you can make a much more educated guess as to how certain pairings will turn out and so plan your breedings better and hopefully end up with higher percentage of pups making decent dogs.

[DogFox123 1,379]

You might make a good box dog out of scatterbred dogs but will it be able to reproduce in a consistent manner? With tight family bred dogs you can make a much more educated guess as to how certain pairings will turn out and so plan your breedings better and hopefully end up with higher percentage of pups making decent dogs.

That's the theory but the Europeans ain't doing bad using their methods. I agree with the old theory of intelligent line breeding and outcrossing when certain traits begin to wain....

[BGD 6,437]

 

You might make a good box dog out of scatterbred dogs but will it be able to reproduce in a consistent manner? With tight family bred dogs you can make a much more educated guess as to how certain pairings will turn out and so plan your breedings better and hopefully end up with higher percentage of pups making decent dogs.

That's the theory but the Europeans ain't doing bad using their methods. I agree with the old theory of intelligent line breeding and outcrossing when certain traits begin to wain....

 

 

As you said in your other post pal if one method was the only way everyone would be doing it, I do wonder how much litter wastage they see from these heavily scatterbred breedings though...

 

I definitely agree with the tried and tested methods too, always interesting to look at how other folk around the world are doing things though

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

You might make a good box dog out of scatterbred dogs but will it be able to reproduce in a consistent manner? With tight family bred dogs you can make a much more educated guess as to how certain pairings will turn out and so plan your breedings better and hopefully end up with higher percentage of pups making decent dogs.

That's the theory but the Europeans ain't doing bad using their methods. I agree with the old theory of intelligent line breeding and outcrossing when certain traits begin to wain....

As you said in your other post pal if one method was the only way everyone would be doing it, I do wonder how much litter wastage they see from these heavily scatterbred breedings though...

 

I definitely agree with the tried and tested methods too, always interesting to look at how other folk around the world are doing things though

Getting a game dog is difficult even with good breeding, hell some of the most famous dogs of all time weren't game. Folk can't even agree what the meaning of gameness is let alone the best method of breeding.

[Dead Eyes 681]

Give me some examples of SUCCESSFUL scatter bred european dogs. I rarely see them tbh.

 

For breeding, I think its worth looking into the Filipinos and how they do their birds tbh. They get through multiple generations much quicker and develop their theories based on this. Of course there are also other methods too

[downsouth 8,578]

 

 

 

 

Not particularly interested in photographs myself but would be interested to see a few peds if you have bred your own line for 26 years......not to be critical i just think you can tell a lot about a mans understanding of bulldogs from his peds over enough time,particularly if they are down off well known dogs.......it would also be interesting to see what Floyd was putting out towards the end.

Tbh the Eastern Europeans know little about line breeding and such, they are generally scatterbred dogs selected from best to best matings...

Are tight bred dogs any better bred,,? the east European dogs are as good as any dogs,,, its the results that show if a breeding is good, plenty of these tight bred dogs ,,like Mayfield, Colby , Old family red nose strains,,usually bred for their peds ,,, and have a low percentage of good dogs...

Let's be honest if one method was obviously superior to others then everybody would go the same way. I know the Europeans like to beat their own chests regarding their dogs but I'm guessing the best dogs are still found in the States and Mexico, Japan will have good dogs too IMO.

A mate of mine spent some time in Mexico with a very well known old timer who's moved there from the states.He said whilst he was out there he visited a few yards and went to a large convention and reckoned he only saw a couple of dogs he'd have kept and wouldn't have fed the majority of them and that their breeding methods were a joke.The same lad also brought two dogs over from one of the very well known European lines and they went even close in class to the dogs he had from his tried and tested English family of dogs.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

Not particularly interested in photographs myself but would be interested to see a few peds if you have bred your own line for 26 years......not to be critical i just think you can tell a lot about a mans understanding of bulldogs from his peds over enough time,particularly if they are down off well known dogs.......it would also be interesting to see what Floyd was putting out towards the end.

Tbh the Eastern Europeans know little about line breeding and such, they are generally scatterbred dogs selected from best to best matings...

Are tight bred dogs any better bred,,? the east European dogs are as good as any dogs,,, its the results that show if a breeding is good, plenty of these tight bred dogs ,,like Mayfield, Colby , Old family red nose strains,,usually bred for their peds ,,, and have a low percentage of good dogs...

Let's be honest if one method was obviously superior to others then everybody would go the same way. I know the Europeans like to beat their own chests regarding their dogs but I'm guessing the best dogs are still found in the States and Mexico, Japan will have good dogs too IMO.

A mate of mine spent some time in Mexico with a very well known old timer who's moved there from the states.He said whilst he was out there he visited a few yards and went to a large convention and reckoned he only saw a couple of dogs he'd have kept and wouldn't have fed the majority of them and that their breeding methods were a joke.The same lad also brought two dogs over from one of the very well known European lines and they went even close in class to the dogs he had from his tried and tested English family of dogs.

Each to their own, the Yanks slag each other's dogs off so nothing new there. I know the European dogs have got most of the records? I think one match went 6hr 47min...... IMO they must have been soft mouthed dogs or had bad handlers....

 

I still reckon the Americans have the best dogs in the world today but who knows hey...

Edited August 10, 2016 by DogFox123

[DogFox123 1,379]

Give me some examples of SUCCESSFUL scatter bred european dogs. I rarely see them tbh.

 

For breeding, I think its worth looking into the Filipinos and how they do their birds tbh. They get through multiple generations much quicker and develop their theories based on this. Of course there are also other methods too

Breeding for gameness is very complicated indeed, where the hell did it come from in the first place? I don't think it's a trait that can be bred for, if that's the case you could eventually get game dogs off a poodle. It skips generations and supposedly can be affected by outside factors such as bad health, poor conditioning. Some men believe there's different degrees of gameness where others believe it's either game or a cur. If only we had the answers.....

[chesney 5,812]

Which lines have the highest cull percentages the scatter bred east European dogs or tightly line bred dogs of good old england or the Mexicans just happy with what they see or the great american lines.

[Carlovian 593]

You might make a good box dog out of scatterbred dogs but will it be able to reproduce in a consistent manner? With tight family bred dogs you can make a much more educated guess as to how certain pairings will turn out and so plan your breedings better and hopefully end up with higher percentage of pups making decent dogs.

I don't believe you get any better percentage of good dogs from tight bred dogs, plenty of scatter bred dogs ,,,produce ,,,dogs like Ch Jeep ,,his sire was no way related to his dam ,,his dam's parents ware not related to each other ,,,when he was alive he was one of ,,if not the top producer,,,

[Dead Eyes 681]

But the Eli carver mix has gotta be the best mix there's been. Plus his momma was the best breeder there's ever been?

 

Her breeding is the bottom side in a lot of the modern greats too

[Dead Eyes 681]

But the Eli carver mix has gotta be the best mix there's been. Plus his momma was the best breeder there's ever been?

 

Her breeding is the bottom side in a lot of the modern greats too

Oh, and one of that litter got beat by one of these 'European scatter Breds'

[Dead Eyes 681]

double post

Edited August 10, 2016 by Dead Eyes