Wolf in the wild

[inan 841]

I should also add that the wolves were mexican lobos and I believe weighed about 90 to 95lbs. My girlfriend is about 4ft 10 and weighs 89lbs so she was only a fraction smaller than the wolves. i believe all the other trappers were women too. My girlfriend has a history of encounters with large predators, as I joke she is within everythings preybase. She has been stalked by a mountain lion and attacked by a grizzly in Alaska.

Her philosphy is if something eats her in the field thats just nature and oh well!

 

all the best Dirtwinger

Sounds like one tough lady,better not get caught doing the naughties with anyone else, or you might become a Babbit !

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

dirtwinger, I dont know you but its obvious you know a little bit about how a wolf or a coyote for that matter acts and how they are taken

 

I would cull every single one of them ass biting tazi things if I was a coyote hunter. Maybe they are fine on hare or fox or whatever but they would never make a coyote dog here. That wolf was not much bigger than some of our bigger coyotes. Looked like that wolf maybe weighed 50 pounds or 60 at best. I would not own a 4 stags that could not pin a 60 pound coyote in a matter of seconds. Two stags should be able to take any 50 or 60 pound coyote or wolf, two big rough males anyhow. I see uphilldoc is reading this thread some. He should probably jump in and comment cause he is a "wolf" hunter. Coyote anyhow but some of our coyotes are big and rough.

 

I dont want to sound like a braggart but my stag would have pinned that wolf in that video with ease. I aint braggin, just stating a very for sure without a doubt fact. And..........if uphill's grace bitch would have came in while he had it penned, they would have dispatched it in a matter of minutes. Another fact, no theory or speculation. It is what it is gents and I have no reason to lie to any of you.

 

Our wolves which weigh over 100 pounds would kill my stag fairly easy, I assume. That is not a fact but speculation. I am pretty sure it is quite accurate though. I do not think I would run one with him though so it probably wont ever matter even if it were legal. If I knew there were 3 other dogs just like him on the ground with him, maybe but I still doubt it.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

This is what the wolf should have looked like as soon as the dogs caught him. Not that in and out baying shit.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

This is another coyote but this is what they look like after 3 or 4 minutes. Limp and dispatched properly. I did not raise this dog, he was given to me by a good friend of mine who gets on here. I aint takin any claim that I did any of his training but he lives with me now.

[inan 841]

This is another coyote but this is what they look like after 3 or 4 minutes. Limp and dispatched properly. I did not raise this dog, he was given to me by a good friend of mine who gets on here. I aint takin any claim that I did any of his training but he lives with me now.

Riveting stuff from guys that do the business,allways wanted to see a coyote course ,maybe one day

[Meerihunter 7]

dirtwinger, I dont know you but its obvious you know a little bit about how a wolf or a coyote for that matter acts and how they are taken

 

I would cull every single one of them ass biting tazi things if I was a coyote hunter. Maybe they are fine on hare or fox or whatever but they would never make a coyote dog here. That wolf was not much bigger than some of our bigger coyotes. Looked like that wolf maybe weighed 50 pounds or 60 at best. I would not own a 4 stags that could not pin a 60 pound coyote in a matter of seconds. Two stags should be able to take any 50 or 60 pound coyote or wolf, two big rough males anyhow. I see uphilldoc is reading this thread some. He should probably jump in and comment cause he is a "wolf" hunter. Coyote anyhow but some of our coyotes are big and rough.

 

I dont want to sound like a braggart but my stag would have pinned that wolf in that video with ease. I aint braggin, just stating a very for sure without a doubt fact. And..........if uphill's grace bitch would have came in while he had it penned, they would have dispatched it in a matter of minutes. Another fact, no theory or speculation. It is what it is gents and I have no reason to lie to any of you.

 

Our wolves which weigh over 100 pounds would kill my stag fairly easy, I assume. That is not a fact but speculation. I am pretty sure it is quite accurate though. I do not think I would run one with him though so it probably wont ever matter even if it were legal. If I knew there were 3 other dogs just like him on the ground with him, maybe but I still doubt it.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head there, the average Tazi is not really cut out for work on wolf they are too small these are probably only 25" and more suited to fox and hare. That is where Taigans come in.

 

When you say your considerably larger Stags would likely be killed by your 100lb+ wolves, would these smaller Tazi not in a similar situation with this all be it smaller Wolf?

 

The footage I've seen of Taigans taken wolves have shown very large wolves.

 

 

These are Taigan.

 

Truely very interesting hearing from those that have experience in such things.

[UphillDoc 278]

Dan-I have addressed most of what has been written already. I cant imagine there is a dog that could take our wolf solo, and believe it would take some awful good ones to even handle one as a set (3 dogs). Most folks have never actually seen a grown wolf here, and fewer still have seen what they can do to a dog. I have seen both. When you go to a pack of hounds at a bear tree and all you find are the hounds skull, spine and tracking collars...then you will understand the killing power. A wolf apart from its pack is not the same animal as one working with its pack, IMO, but still far more than most would ever want to meet.

 

Merrihunter-Not all stags are extra big dogs. Most my dogs are 60-70lbs 25-27" Many folks keep stags a bit bigger, but I prefer a smaller dog, with a bigger heart... The Taigan on the head and the black and tan moving in from the top of the pic are the only ones I would be interested in trying. The other three could not stay here. (judging from that pic)

 

scotsman-I dont know if you serious or not about the alaunt being up to the task, but I assure you I am well aware of what a real bulldog can and cant do, as well as a bullcross. I was a bulldog man long before I ever messed with a running dog, and will always prefer a bulldog over all other dogs in my heart. Even with my stags I live by the motto "I would rather be out run, than out fought"

A good stag will make most bulldogs look silly when it comes to killing ability. I would have never believed it when I had a yard full of bulldogs, but I have seen enough of both to know its true. The bulldog brings determination and durablilty that no other dog can match, IMO, but not the effeciant killing ability of the good stags. The coyote hunters here have tried crossing stags on almost every type of dog trying to make them "better" but almost always go back to stag x stag.

 

Take care.

[Little Butch 16]

I'd love to see a Coyote Course and I'd also love to see how an Alaunt would cope with one.. Or a well bred Bull x

Must be some sight!

 

Butch

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

I would cull all of them dogs in that photo most likely except for the one on the head and he better be gettin to that throat soon or he would not get another scoop of feed from me. That one biting the ass would not be here. My yellow dog will trip from the back end at times or "bite the ass" but only to get the coyote swung around so he can throat him.

 

Scotts grace gyp was throat dog for sure just like my yellow dog.

[bird 9,594]

Dan-I have addressed most of what has been written already. I cant imagine there is a dog that could take our wolf solo, and believe it would take some awful good ones to even handle one as a set (3 dogs). Most folks have never actually seen a grown wolf here, and fewer still have seen what they can do to a dog. I have seen both. When you go to a pack of hounds at a bear tree and all you find are the hounds skull, spine and tracking collars...then you will understand the killing power. A wolf apart from its pack is not the same animal as one working with its pack, IMO, but still far more than most would ever want to meet.

 

Merrihunter-Not all stags are extra big dogs. Most my dogs are 60-70lbs 25-27" Many folks keep stags a bit bigger, but I prefer a smaller dog, with a bigger heart... The Taigan on the head and the black and tan moving in from the top of the pic are the only ones I would be interested in trying. The other three could not stay here. (judging from that pic)

 

scotsman-I dont know if you serious or not about the alaunt being up to the task, but I assure you I am well aware of what a real bulldog can and cant do, as well as a bullcross. I was a bulldog man long before I ever messed with a running dog, and will always prefer a bulldog over all other dogs in my heart. Even with my stags I live by the motto "I would rather be out run, than out fought"

A good stag will make most bulldogs look silly when it comes to killing ability. I would have never believed it when I had a yard full of bulldogs, but I have seen enough of both to know its true. The bulldog brings determination and durablilty that no other dog can match, IMO, but not the effeciant killing ability of the good stags. The coyote hunters here have tried crossing stags on almost every type of dog trying to make them "better" but almost always go back to stag x stag.

 

Take care.

Good thread, i know Stags are line bred [stag-stag] and they have alot of deerhound in them. His there a lot of differnce, from a 1x deerhound greyhound of good stock and Stags.? As the Deerhound seems the[ Dominant] breed in both dogs.? just a thought

[Malt 379]

Great thread!

 

It makes me laugh though, every time a thread like this appears about hunting other quarry from different parts of the world, you get people jumping in with the "You could do with some Bull in the mix!"

 

They've got a lot more Bull blood to choose from in the states, if it was all that, why isn't it used?

 

The Bull x's might be the ultimate specialist fox hunting dog in the UK, but there's more to hunting with dogs around the world than fox hunting, sometimes it's just better to learn from others instead of trying to tell them how they could improve.

[inan 841]

Great thread!

 

It makes me laugh though, every time a thread like this appears about hunting other quarry from different parts of the world, you get people jumping in with the "You could do with some Bull in the mix!"

 

They've got a lot more Bull blood to choose from in the states, if it was all that, why isn't it used?

 

The Bull x's might be the ultimate specialist fox hunting dog in the UK, but there's more to hunting with dogs around the world than fox hunting, sometimes it's just better to learn from others instead of trying to tell them how they could improve.

Well that's a perceptive comment and one that's quite logically obvious if you think about it,I mean there's no shortage of Bull blood in the States is there?

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Uphill had a bullcross gyp and she was as good as any pure Stag at throating a coyote but she lacked in catch power as any bull cross would of course. Coyotes dont duck and dodge dogs like a fox does. They just flat ass out run them. There aint nothing wrong with bull blood though in my opinion. You take a dog like Grace and breed it to a good stag throat dog and you got something worth owning in my opinion not that Grace herself wasnt cause she damn sure was unreal when I was around her. I will throw a pic of her up here for those that never seen her.

[Malt 379]

Great thread!

 

It makes me laugh though, every time a thread like this appears about hunting other quarry from different parts of the world, you get people jumping in with the "You could do with some Bull in the mix!"

 

They've got a lot more Bull blood to choose from in the states, if it was all that, why isn't it used?

 

The Bull x's might be the ultimate specialist fox hunting dog in the UK, but there's more to hunting with dogs around the world than fox hunting, sometimes it's just better to learn from others instead of trying to tell them how they could improve.

Well that's a perceptive comment and one that's quite logically obvious if you think about it, I mean there's no shortage of Bull blood in the States is there?

Problem is it's not thought about by some!

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Here is a pic of Grace in right spot, where she always was. Good head or throat dogs come that way naturally and one should never ever breed to a dog that is not a natural throat dog if you are gonna catch and kill yotes. There are way too many good stags out there to breed to a shit dog in my opinion.