Racumin Foam

[shropshire mole 190]

If any one starts using Racumin Foam, now that it is available Can they please do a review as to how good/bad the product is?

 

Certainly looks good and indoors may help against ratty, but would like a go back to contact dust, worked well for me.

[StephenWalsh 73]

Like all the tools that are available to professionals, it will be as effective as the hand that wields it.

[mole trapper 1,703]

Twas a bad day, the day we lost the powder! Start a big new job next week which is heaving, would have been so much easier "and cheaper" had I still been able to use it.

[StephenWalsh 73]

And you wonder why it was banned? Your first resort is for a poison in a powder form, and that powder is very difficult to control it's distribution. Crazy.

[Matt 160]

And you wonder why it was banned? Your first resort is for a poison in a powder form, and that powder is very difficult to control it's distribution. Crazy.

 

Banned?

 

I thought it was withdrawn under the Biocides rules, not 'banned'??

 

Perfectly safe when used properly. I used to keep a DR5 to push it into burrows. Very effective.

[StephenWalsh 73]

lol that's just semantics Matt, but the result is the same. And do you honestly think it should be your first choice of control method?

[Matt 160]

lol that's just semantics Matt, but the result is the same.

I disagree.

 

When you describe a product as being 'banned' you imply that it was taken off sale because it was considered to be too dangerous.

 

Products that are 'withdrawn' are usually removed from the market for commercial reasons.

 

Strychnine is a classic example. It wasn't 'banned', the importer chose not to support it through the new Biocides legislation for purely commercial reasons.

 

 

And do you honestly think it should be your first choice of control method?

That would depend on what active it was, and how severe the infestation was.

 

Which is better? Using a first generation contact product, or a second generation bait?

 

Which is better? Getting a quick knockdown of a severe infestaton, or dragging a treatment out for weeks?

 

It's horses for courses. Sometimes you have to inject a whole heap of common sense into a treatment plan.

[StephenWalsh 73]

We'll have to agree to disagree on the first point, and one the second I'm not going to debate the apparent safety of using a toxic dust!

[Matt 160]

The safety of using a 'toxic' dust is relative to the alternative.

 

COSHH says use the least toxic product first. If non-toxic options are going to have a limited effect on a serious (and potentially harmful) infestation, then you have to go in with a toxic product on day 1.

 

Given the fact that Racumin contact dust was far less toxic than, say, Difenacoum grain bait, then surely that would be the best option? Especially if you are going to apply it direct to rat burrows where non target species are highly unlikely to come into contact with it?

 

Food for thought...

[StephenWalsh 73]

We both know burrow baiting is safe and effective almost regardless of the formulation of the product, so that's a bit of a red herring. And as you have mentioned, least toxic first, as per earlier comment.

[Matt 160]

Yes, so if the contact dust is less toxic than a SGAR bait, then which would COSHH suggest should be chosen first?

 

It's certainly an interesting discussion

 

Makes you wonder if what goes on now is really any safer than what we used to do before COSHH...

[mole trapper 1,703]

The dust was blown into the burrows not placed around or spooned in, unlike large clear ups where baits are used, coumatetrelyl powder was not dragged around the place to be picked up by non targets.

It was a very safe and effective method if carried out by a competent, thinking operative.

Edited December 6, 2014 by mole trapper

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

Theres nothing ever totally safe with poisons though, and any animal that comes across it is at risk.

 

Twas a bad day, the day we lost the powder! Start a big new job next week which is heaving, would have been so much easier "and cheaper" had I still been able to use it.

Mole trapper by name, mole poisoner by nature... shame on you lol mass poisoning usually goes against the grain of any traditional mole trappers Ive spoken to. Is it as you say, just to save yourself time and money?

[Matt 160]

Theres nothing ever totally safe with poisons though, and any animal that comes across it is at risk.

 

Twas a bad day, the day we lost the powder! Start a big new job next week which is heaving, would have been so much easier "and cheaper" had I still been able to use it.

Mole trapper by name, mole poisoner by nature... shame on you lol mass poisoning usually goes against the grain of any traditional mole trappers Ive spoken to. Is it as you say, just to save yourself time and money?

 

Not quite sure what you are saying here... as far as I'm aware, Mole Trapper has been just that for some years now...

 

You talk about saving time and money, but for whom?

 

When you get called in to deal with a serious rat infestation surely the quicker it's brought under control the safer it is?

 

If it saves the pest controller time and money, then it also saves the customer money.

[mole trapper 1,703]

There really are some proper twats on here, I've never poisoned a mole in my life and never will, as Matt says I only trap them and have done for a living the last sixteen years.