S A S And Quads.

[Truther 1,579]

The marrying of kids is actually marriage after puberty so not quite as it is phrased. Personally I think that Islam is a progressive religion the basic principle is sub mission to Allah and the interpretation of the Law and Sunnat should fit the time . Now in the time of Adam and through out history marriage at a young age has been accepted and permitted even in the developed world. Personally from my view point I don't think in this day and age it is required or acceptable times have changed life expectancy has multiplied several fold . I really believe that a Fatwa should be issued this is a judgement based on islamic teachings and shariat that a marriage should not be permitted under the age of 16 I would personally say 18 years of age. Islam already forbids a girl or boy from being forced into marriage some say a girls silence on the matter is consent I and my teachers don't agree with some others on this point. The Qran tells that nothing is compulsory in islam so these forced conversions to islam by isis .Taliban etc are haram not permitted. The Qran also tells to observe the law of the land in which you reside as long as that law does not conflict with the Law of Allah I live in the UK and the law says no marriage under 16 years of age those that send their kids out of the country and force them to marry are not acting in conformity with Islamic jurisprudence, It is a complicated trying to balance culture , tradition and religion I personally accept islam over and above customs and traditions. Islam forbids cruelty, it forbids tyranny it forbids war on women children the old the sick and Those who don't take up arms against you. Islamic taxes are imposed on non muslims these are to provide services much the same as council tax or income tax. The behaviour of some Muslims is not Islamic the murderers of Lee Rigby they tried to justify their actions from islam they can not the Taliban and issis cannot the Boka haram kidnapping and raping claim they are following Islamic teachings if they are the Qran says that if a Muslim kills one Muslim then it is as if the whole of mankind has been killed. In islam a Muslim is allowed to defend themselves and family and islam . It is often said islam is not a nation yet we are collectively held responsible for all Muslim activity are Christians held responsible for actions of Christians around the world? T go back to your original question Child marriage was practiced in the past but now I say there is no justification alcohol was permitted in islam in the beginning then because of its abuse it was banned and made haram yet it can be used for medicinal purposes this is islam embracing technology and change, Sorry for the protracted answer hope you follow it.

 

islam sounds pretty good DB, what if i converted to islam but then changed my mind and wanted to renounce it, and become atheist again? Any penalty for that?

[desertbred 5,490]

you would be known as a muttahid one who is a muslim but left the faith, if you again wanted to change to Islamic faith you are permitted if you chose to leave a second time you would become known as Munafiq and islamn and Muslims would not want to know you. The western word I think is apostate some Islamic groups say munafiq and muttahid should be killed I don't know under which law of islam they base that. For example Salman Rushdie was born a muslim chose not to practice he was left alone the death sentence or Fatwa that was pronounced on him was for his satanic verse book that attacked on the Prophet of islam and his family. So plenty of muslims like Ali Bhai Brown the female journalist she married a Christian she has not been harmed and according to islam she left the faith of islam freedom of choice. Mike Tyson alledgedly became Muslim does he live as a Muslim Cassius clay became Muslim Muhammad Ali he chooses to live the life of a Muslim Barak Obamas father was a Muslim. Barak chooses not to live as a Muslim hes left alone even though he is a c**t.

Edited November 25, 2014 by desertbred

[Guest ragumup]

There's a grain of truth in some of the thing you say DB but loads of tayiqqa as well i could refute almost all of it but to be honest i hate writing huge long essays, it give me a headache and its not worth it ...thats the reason i dont bother....

[desertbred 5,490]

Rag u muppet you are not intelligent to refute anything you are a muppet full stop. just dredge up bollocks from the internet to enhance your anti islam propaganda you post shite videos, That are obvious to any one that they are drivvle so keep up your imbacilic attempts to promote anti Islamic feeling and kidding about what you actually are you don't fool anybody.Never seen you post about hunting or dogs just UKIP and religious hatred

[Truther 1,579]

you would be known as a muttahid one who is a muslim but left the faith, if you again wanted to change to Islamic faith you are permitted if you chose to leave a second time you would become known as Munafiq and islamn and Muslims would not want to know you. The western word I think is apostate some Islamic groups say munafiq and muttahid should be killed I don't know under which law of islam they base that. For example Salman Rushdie was born a muslim chose not to practice he was left alone the death sentence or Fatwa that was pronounced on him was for his satanic verse book that attacked on the Prophet of islam and his family. So plenty of muslims like Ali Bhai Brown the female journalist she married a Christian she has not been harmed and according to islam she left the faith of islam freedom of choice. Mike Tyson alledgedly became Muslim does he live as a Muslim Cassius clay became Muslim Muhammad Ali he chooses to live the life of a Muslim Barak Obamas father was a Muslim. Barak chooses not to live as a Muslim hes left alone even though he is a c**t.

 

Fair enough DB, but non of the people "still walking round" live or go to muslim countries do they? But not all muslims or muslim countries call for the death penalty for apostasy, that is true, but so many interpretations means you can put a lot of different angles on it.

[Guest ragumup]

Well done for being a good Muslim and insulting me, Mohammed said the kuffar are to be insulted ....

 

Apostates in Islam

 

You can't use celebrities/ boxers as an example, Islam only wanted them to promote the religion .

 

Some muslims are not killed for leaving but they are shunned by their family and friends ,sacked from their jobs etc and generally made to wish they were dead ...

 

In Islam you have to pattern your life on muhammad and he said "who ever leave the religion kill them" so with this last point you don't have as leg to stand on....

[Guest ragumup]

In fact when Mohammad died thousands of Muslims try to leave the religion but Mohammad's companion's killed them all.....

Edited November 25, 2014 by ragumup

[Guest ragumup]

I could go on, but the headache coming on now and iv got my working dogs to feed.....

[desertbred 5,490]

one last fact rag u muppet you are full of crap you know nothing about islam because you plain and simple are an " islamaphobe ."

Edited November 25, 2014 by desertbred

[Guest ragumup]

You can't refute the facts , you lose .....again,

[dare 1,103]

Not believing in any religion you guys have no idea how crazy this all sounds to me lol. Arguing over something which there is no proof off. Religion is just a tool to control people. Like I said I've seen a documentary on a prince from Saudi which is known to be such a strict Muslim country. None of his wife's were covered lol its simply just a form of control. Fact you can't vote to change anything should tell you that. Religion was invented when people wasnt educated and couldn't read or write. Years later and how advance everythings got and people still believe in religion lol.

[Guest ragumup]

That's because hypocrisy doesn't seem to be haram in the Islamic world....

 

If its written in Islamic doctrine then Muslims follow/practise it , proof is not required ...

 

Pick any Islamic country and ask a man on the street what's the most important thing in his life he will say Allah or mohammad etc people say these Islamic issues are political (that's their excuse) they are not they are religious .

[Guest ragumup]

In fact iv yet to meet a Muslim that doesn't know their religion really well...take desertfred as an example he's NOT a jihadist or an Islamism but he is a conservative Muslim who wants sharia law over all of us ....

 

sharia law is like have the mafiya running the government that has one set of rules for Muslims and another discriminatory set for everyone else ....

[desertbred 5,490]

Rag u muppet you really are stupid as is clear from the posts you make. I believe that every Muslim shouldshariat law as it is an integral part of a Muslims I have no desire or wish to impose Shariat on anyone as islam cannot beforced on anyone. You can not have met many Muslims if you have yet to meet one who doesn't know islam really well LOL I. say less than 10% know and understand islam really well, Ayatollahs who are the scholars of islam refer to themselves as students and say that there knowledge is comparable to a grain of sand in the desert. That is where the problem is that the vast majority of Muslims don't understand islam at all , praying 5 times a day reading the Qran without comprehension and basically following blindly is not understanding islam this is how ISIS and Alquaida and the other terror groups get a foot hold because of ignorance of Islamic faith. I don't talk of Bhuddism or Hinduism as I don't understand them. Yet you post and talk about Islamic faith and its tennents with no knowledge what so ever. Islamaphobia is the fear of something you do not comprehend not to silence truth, you don't even know the meaning of truth every one else is doing Taqiyya (telling lies and deceiving) except you, you really are a UKIP follower muppet. People should study your last post above you shoot yourself in the foot every time LOL

Edited November 26, 2014 by desertbred

[jacknife 2,005]

Observe the law of the land you reside in so long as it does not conflict with the law of Allah

 

And this is what so called moderate Muslims believe in