Quick Question.

[philstory 83]

Living up here in the north east of england. The only type of deer we have local is the roe. Could anyone tell me how and why the fallow, muntjac and chinese water deer have not spread to all four corners of the country?

[Millet 4,497]

Load's of Chav's going gang handed with 2 x bull crosses each around the middle of the country won't do them any favour's..

[beast 1,884]

probably a matter of habitat for the fallow, as they are well spread and common through most of the country, but don't do so well if there isn't much woodland. muntjac are spreading everywhere, and will be with you sooner or later i have no doubt. chinese are a bit more specialised and really need wide open arable, marsh or fenland. considering the original escapees were from woburn, they have filled much of this habitat in the east of england, but wont spread to wooded areas and dont do well where there is livestock rather than arable.

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

There were reds and fallow but they long gone, not due to habitat faults in fact Northumbarland is the second most Bio-diverse county of Britain, after Dorset, apparently, but the region was always a poaching and general lawless area since the romans left lol

 

But mate, you dont have to go too far to get some stalking on the bigger 3.. and there are small pockets of fallow and even the odd isolated red or two, but really thin on ground and they never get given chance to spread.

 

DnN

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

Within a 2 hour drive of mid Northumberland you can find many populations of the larger deer, and even get into muntjac territory, though they are turning up in the region as well. But I agree, its a poor show on deer, good job its lifting with roe, and what better species really?

 

DnN

[philstory 83]

Iv just always wondered why they aren't spread through out the whole country. Plenty of woodland round me for the fallow and muntjac. You will be right about the chinese water deer, not the right habitat for them up here.

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

But in the eastern coastal strip the land is mostly flat arable? would that not suit the cwd? I think given time, more so than the muntjac perhaps, but the cwd could find its way right up the eastern coastal arable strip which would take them eventually up over the border.

 

All the nearest fallow never get chance to come in and get set up, they are killed as soon as folk hear about them, the population in the lower north east is smallish and scattered, and heavily plundered, I doubt they will even get up into Co.Durham much, the western stuff is held back mostly by the M74 motorway... the northern sika are gradually moving towards the border, but the population seems to be spreading faster in other directions. . and the south western sika will find it hard to spread up through the penine dales. Theres reds in the west, lakes, and dumfres but they dont want to cross all the wide expanse of the eden valley with the M6 or M74, and those that do get up into the northern penines dont last long, but there are odd ones that do get through and find a quiet spot, and know of a few, of red and fallow, some just lonely old stags living in solitude.

 

DnN

Edited June 5, 2014 by dogs-n-natives

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

Iv just always wondered why they aren't spread through out the whole country. Plenty of woodland round me for the fallow and muntjac. You will be right about the chinese water deer, not the right habitat for them up here.

But saying that, the populations in general are all increasing and spreading in most areas of the UK, if you look back at the history of deer, it was much worse, roe were wiped from the whole of England and even with re-introductions in the far south of England they are still absent from fair chunks of the south, they are only recent arivals in Kent....I bet the folk in those areas are sick of fallow and long for swift footed roe!!

[philstory 83]

It's more on the edges to moor land and rough hilly ground where i go. Not the flat arable land like down south and the fens.

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

Er ok, thought you were asking about why the other deer were not so abundant in the north east, my mistake

[Philluk 181]

Living up here in the north east of england. The only type of deer we have local is the roe. Could anyone tell me how and why the fallow, muntjac and chinese water deer have not spread to all four corners of the country?

Do you have many oak trees around your way?

[beast 1,884]

 

Iv just always wondered why they aren't spread through out the whole country. Plenty of woodland round me for the fallow and muntjac. You will be right about the chinese water deer, not the right habitat for them up here.

But saying that, the populations in general are all increasing and spreading in most areas of the UK, if you look back at the history of deer, it was much worse, roe were wiped from the whole of England and even with re-introductions in the far south of England they are still absent from fair chunks of the south, they are only recent arivals in Kent....I bet the folk in those areas are sick of fallow and long for swift footed roe!!

 

 

100% right. here in bedfordshire we are crawling with muntjac, CWD and fallow, but in the 18 years i have lived in the county i have only ever seen two young bucks which showed up together for a couple of days during that bitter winter last year, just about half a mile from the bucks county boundary. mate of mine reckons this was the first registered sighting for something like 40 years!

[J Darcy 5,871]

CWD are not great travellers. They can and do exist in large loose 'herds' and appear to be at ease in each others company even during the rut. There is no way on earth CWD would reach the north without human intervention. In fact, their spread is only very slow (unlike the muntjac) even in places where the habitat is ideal. I'm sure that the CWD can make it as far as the Humber, in fact, they are in that region, but the crossing of this natural barrier with it's deadly mud banks and man-made piles must be viewed as almost impossible.....that's JMHO>

[philstory 83]

 

Living up here in the north east of england. The only type of deer we have local is the roe. Could anyone tell me how and why the fallow, muntjac and chinese water deer have not spread to all four corners of the country?

Do you have many oak trees around your way?

[philstory 83]

Yes not on my permission but on the grinkle estate plenty up there.