m.r1 7 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 sensible and true comments elisderyn, but is the description of the meaining hard "gets hold, no sound and keeps hold" or is it the terrier that pushes the quarry hard in to the stop (if it dosent bolt) and stays and takes what is thrown at it and doesnt quit and will do this every time it is worked? To me a Hard terrier is a terrier that when fit for work is a terrier that will enter, hit its quarry and push it to a stop no matter what even if the quarry has other ideas, the terrier holds it there, takes its stick and gives as much back, never gives in and never comes out (within reason!) and continualy works to this high standard season after season and would kill most foxes, but the killing of a fox is more a technique rather than hardness, when a terrier will do this season after season this to me is a true game, hard terrier, they dont have to be mute to be hard, in my opinion Quote Link to post
elisderyn 496 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Fair point there Mr.1.............By your description of a hard dog I have a bitch here that fits that bill. She works quarry to an end & doesnt relent , Holding when needed but generally mixing and parrying , I compare her to another I have in the kennel who sometimes , due to his over aggresive approach can make an easy dig a f*****g hard one , Im sure you lads know what I mean , taking needless punishment , I tell anyone that although he has his uses he's not really that good a digging dog as a result on times.........Sure he gets the job done but the lay ups needed as a result are uneeded & a pain in the arse.... ................ Maybe "reckless" instead of "hard" would be a more apt discription of dogs like this..... Quote Link to post
Guest pip Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 I wouldn never sell my terriers to a tosser like you Sell your dogs often mate???? Quote Link to post
mussells 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 reckless.... thats good. the sire of my terrier is not worked to ground anymore because he is so "reckless" he is the only one left in his litter as all the rest have died through being too nutts!!! Quote Link to post
elisderyn 496 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Some idiots will probably jump on this statement but I have to be choosy where I use the dog , Which , as I have said , Is one of the reasons why I dont really class him as a great digging dog................He is a nice tool to have in the box though & I have had game with him that you simply would not dig with a bayer....... Quote Link to post
diggory 130 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 good honest answer elisderyn Quote Link to post
Guest pikey Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 (edited) IN MY OPINION WHAT I WOULD CLASS AS A HARD DOG, IS A DOG THAT COMES TO GRIPS WITH THE GAME MID TUBE, OR ANY PART OF THE EARTH, WANTS HE GRIPS, HE HOLDS TILL HE IS DUG TO...REGARDLESS IF ITS A STOP END, WHEN I OPEN UP ON THE DOG / GAME I PULL THE GAME OUT FIRST....FOR FEAR I MAY LOSE THE GAME IF I PULLED THE DOG OUT FIRST BY BREAKING HIS GRIP........JUST LIKE THE PHOTO BELOW TAKING A FEW DAYS AGO..... TERRIER LOSE AND GRIPPING THE FOX IS A YOUNG DOG THAT WE HAD LOSE AND LEARNING THE ROPES. Edited October 10, 2007 by pikey Quote Link to post
elisderyn 496 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I agree with you as well p***y , A hard dog over time can learn to hold his quarry but take fairly minimal damage............The dog like I descibed though still insists in "fighting" his quarry as a pose to "working" it & as you know there is a big difference.... Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,098 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Some spot on replies there from lads i know are doing the bizz .The "hardest "dog i ever owned is now long dead but saw a lot of stuff in the sand around us where a bayer would be left behind baying at a wall of dirt .Hard to me is a terrier that is not in the least bothered about the qualities of its opponent and will give /take all that comes its way .A pain in the ass some times but long may they be bred . Quote Link to post
m.r1 7 Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 p***y, did you use a locator for that dig! good depth for pups, your lucky to have puppy earths like that to bring pups on. Also good earths for mute/grip and hold terriers Quote Link to post
elisderyn 496 Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 A picture of the "reckless one" after some gamebird protection....... Quote Link to post
Guest pip Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Thats a strong looking trrier mate if he gets too reckless for you send him over to me sure Quote Link to post
Guest FOXDOG Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 PIP I wasnt directing that comment at you mate it was that other fool calvin I think And I have never sold a dog Quote Link to post
Guest pip Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Sorry Foxdog misunderstanding just it came after my comment ,read and re read and couldn t work it out what i had said Quote Link to post
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