Young Un's And Mums.

[fireman 11,463]

Some pics of some young goldie mules just about weaned these are now.

Borrowed Paulus's fuzzy camera for this pic of some Greenfinch chicks i rung today

The greenfinch chick that i fostered out as a egg to a canary hen to rear.

The canary hen in front who's raised the Greenie chick,greenfinch mule behind.

Cinny redpoll hen sat on 4 eggs.

 

 

[j j m 6,626]

they look good bud

[the pikey poacher 1,157]

well done mate had a right shit year myself lol

[Clipper 207]

^{well done}

[fireman 11,463]

well done mate had a right shit year myself lol

Everyone's having a poor year this year PP,your not alone mate and those are the only chicks so far for me from 3 nests of greenies and 2 canary nests of which all the 5 chicks died.Lot's of folks having hens jump nests and chicks and even reliable hens doing it and lets hope it sorts itself out for the rest of the year.

[jeppi26 1,855]

Nice to see things a comeing good for you know fireman atb with the chicks

[Outlaw Pete 2,224]

 

Everyone's having a poor year this year

 

 

And why do you reckon this is, Fireman? Only, while I'm hearing only bad news from 'The Wild' (Though, oddly enough, much of that's said to be down to predation) I'd have thought you guys could do things to counteract 'natural' problems for your birds.

 

Like; No predators are likely to get yours. You can protect them from wind and rain, to a great degree. Even cold. You can even provide them shop bought foods and supplements, if there's a famine going on 'out there'. And I know you'll be doing all this and more for your birds.

 

So; What causes a bad year for so many of you, with so much control?

 

It's great, having these little opportunities to cross reference with you lads. In all honesty; I think if the powers that be, on 'my' side, linked up with your people? We'd all gain worthwhile new insights

[fireman 11,463]

Pete i really do think it's down to that Jap power station that melted down,we all got told for years a nuclear exslposion would change the world during the cold war and there were 3 that day that made the sea boil for hundreds if not thousands of yards out.It got so hot afterwards around the world and then the wet winter( just like they told us in the nuclear films )and this year a late spring that's proper messed up mother nature.So i'd say it's the weather that has messed it all up and cold nights do cause the birds hassle with not making it easy to lay an egg and chilling chicks quickly and to be honest the only person i know who's having a very good year bird wise lives in a flat and breeds his greenfinches in cages so the weather don't bother them.

[fireman 11,463]

Some pics of some young goldie mules just about weaned these are now.

 

 

 

 

Cinny redpoll hen sat on 4 eggs.

 

 

2 chicks under this hen today

[Outlaw Pete 2,224]

Pete i really do think it's down to that Jap power station that melted down.

 

God almighty! I don't think I even heard about that! And the f**king sea was boiling?! Holy shit!!! So, they've done a " Threads " on us? F**king Great!

 

And, if you guys are having trouble, you can just imagine what's going on in the wild. Even the take up on my tit boxes is dramatically down, this year. Swallows? Forget it! I have maybe two pairs where there should be half a dozen.

 

Found a dead Spotted Flycatcher, the other day. Under the fence. They get here, right on their last legs. Just manage to reach 'home'. Sit on the fence and finally just drop dead with exhaustion / starvation. It's awful.

[fireman 11,463]

Little update,the greenie chicks have grown a tad and have turned a nice colour now there getting feathers

And the eggs that were under the cinny redpoll hen hatched and i rung 2 of the 3 today.

[Outlaw Pete 2,224]

Fireman; Any idea what colour those Greenies should end up as?

 

I'm finding all this very interesting. To be honest? I used to read about aviculture and showing and so on. It always seemed to state the bird should be as big as possible. Especially the head.

 

I'd go into a seething rage about that. I always thought; " Why not just breed the f**king birds as they're found in nature?! " A 'Cinnamon' Greenfinch was anathema, to me. (" It's a f**king GREENfinch, FFS! Not a Cinnamonfinch! " And so I'd boil and seethe. Blood pressure be damned! )

 

Reading this board has altered my view. I now see that you're Not trying to retain some genetically pure stock, lest a sudden catastrophe wipe out the wild Greenfinch.

 

You operate in a parallel universe. There are the birds in the trees. And the birds you guys breed in your aviaries. And there's absolutely no conflict.

 

This is why I'm now starting to relax, and appreciate these 'Silver', 'Lutino' and god knows what else birds.

 

Black Greenfinch. Can you imagine it? I think I'd just pass out in its presence! Just too sexy a concept!

 

Damnit! You sly f**kers are winning me over!

 

 

[KittleRox 2,147]

[KittleRox 2,147]

Fireman; Any idea what colour those Greenies should end up as?

 

I'm finding all this very interesting. To be honest? I used to read about aviculture and showing and so on. It always seemed to state the bird should be as big as possible. Especially the head.

 

I'd go into a seething rage about that. I always thought; " Why not just breed the f**king birds as they're found in nature?! " A 'Cinnamon' Greenfinch was anathema, to me. (" It's a f**king GREENfinch, FFS! Not a Cinnamonfinch! " And so I'd boil and seethe. Blood pressure be damned! )

 

Reading this board has altered my view. I now see that you're Not trying to retain some genetically pure stock, lest a sudden catastrophe wipe out the wild Greenfinch.

 

You operate in a parallel universe. There are the birds in the trees. And the birds you guys breed in your aviaries. And there's absolutely no conflict.

 

This is why I'm now starting to relax, and appreciate these 'Silver', 'Lutino' and god knows what else birds.

 

Black Greenfinch. Can you imagine it? I think I'd just pass out in its presence! Just too sexy a concept!

 

Damnit! You sly f**kers are winning me over!

 

 

You make good points there pete and some mutations are crackers but there's a but

there may come a point when somebody wants to just buy a pure goldy, greenie, redpoll etc to breed and they may find it very difficult to find any which don't have a mutation in there genetic make up, not a good thing imo

[fireman 11,463]

Black Greenfinch now that would be a thing to see,the pretty'est mutation i have seen is a cinnamon(cinny) Chaffinch hen and that was love at first sight but the owner wouldn't sell her to me .The thing about all these colours is infact they were always in the birds somewhere in the genetic make up naturaly as man can't add what god left out,he just played around with what he had and struck into the colours,i do agree 100% with you that a bird should look like it's wild cousins and that's why myself i won't show a bird as size counts and imo most show greenies are far to big and it takes it away from what it is.These chicks i have here i think will be Cinamon but god knows where that came from as i'm not expert but the hen is lutino and the cock normal but split(carries) for sattinet so was expecting lutinos or normall coloured chicks to be honest but i'm not complaining ,have you seen colbat coloured redpolls?,there nearly black in colour although i personaly am not that keen for them..