New Sighthound Breeds

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

at what stage does a line of good dogs become a new breed, sight hound crosses that's bred for running the fens for example for many generations, at what point do they become theyre own separate breed even called fen hounds. im just wondering as obviously the people crossing the breeds for certain traits from parents to improve on what they have. the way the patterdale was bred from lakeys and red fells etc. id be interested to hear others opinion.

[troter58 1,711]

it will never be a new breed as there crossbred so really its a mongrel what we call a lurcher bred to do a job ie hare only dog or lamp dog bred down in size for ferreting dogs theres lines of dogs which go back many years bred for one thing hare then you got your line bred fox dogs rabbit dogs and so on but they will never be a new breed as there a old breed now the lurcher.atb

Edited April 18, 2013 by troter58

[Banter 1,751]

dont think anyone would interested in a standard dog for the job....but didnt take plummer long knocking up a new terrier an a nice one at that

[paulus 26]

dont think anyone would interested in a standard dog for the job....but didnt take plummer long knocking up a new terrier an a nice one at that

its a beagle that looks like a russell

[Banter 1,751]

 

dont think anyone would interested in a standard dog for the job....but didnt take plummer long knocking up a new terrier an a nice one at that

its a beagle that looks like a russell

yip the man was a genius

[Wxm 1,638]

it will never be a new breed as there crossbred so really its a mongrel what we call a lurcher bred to do a job ie hare only dog or lamp dog bred down in size for ferreting dogs theres lines of dogs which go back many years bred for one thing hare then you got your line bred fox dogs rabbit dogs and so on but they will never be a new breed as there a old breed now the lurcher.atb

But arnt all dogs mongrels in a sence ?? A result of cross breeding / in breeding and line breeding to bring out the desirable characterristics that the breeder is looking to achieve.

 

If you can give proof of so many generations and good account of what's coming out of each litter like the type and even down to the colour say the likes of labs / rotties / dobbies / Dalmatians ect or say the variation in colours with the likes of whippets / staffs / greyhounds ect

 

The labradoddle or other x breeds that can be be defined by 3 or 4 things could be defined as a breed and in some cases even be kc regd

[baw 4,360]

Is a proper fen dog not just bred for the fens? Are they any good anywhere else?

[Wxm 1,638]

Is a proper fen dog not just bred for the fens? Are they any good anywhere else?

Literally a week maybe 2 before the ban came in went to a place with a chap I know that has a fen dog and the dog was taking on small fields.

 

Suppose some will and some won't. The fens are far for some but there was a lot that still went so on the occations they couldn't go then they'd have to run the dogs on other types of land

[baw 4,360]

 

 

Is a proper fen dog not just bred for the fens? Are they any good anywhere else?

Literally a week maybe 2 before the ban came in went to a place with a chap I know that has a fen dog and the dog was taking on small fields.

 

Suppose some will and some won't. The fens are far for some but there was a lot that still went so on the occations they couldn't go then they'd have to run the dogs on other types of land

Good post mate, I take it the dog was more up and at them than plodder?

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

 

dont think anyone would interested in a standard dog for the job....but didnt take plummer long knocking up a new terrier an a nice one at that

its a beagle that looks like a russell

 

You forgot the liberal sprinkling of bull-shit...

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

it will never be a new breed as there crossbred so really its a mongrel what we call a lurcher bred to do a job ie hare only dog or lamp dog bred down in size for ferreting dogs theres lines of dogs which go back many years bred for one thing hare then you got your line bred fox dogs rabbit dogs and so on but they will never be a new breed as there a old breed now the lurcher.atb

when a line is breeding to type and doing the job well and producing good workers after good workers is that not a type of dog bred for a specific job where it would be classed as a new sight hound breed.

[troter58 1,711]

 

it will never be a new breed as there crossbred so really its a mongrel what we call a lurcher bred to do a job ie hare only dog or lamp dog bred down in size for ferreting dogs theres lines of dogs which go back many years bred for one thing hare then you got your line bred fox dogs rabbit dogs and so on but they will never be a new breed as there a old breed now the lurcher.atb

when a line is breeding to type and doing the job well and producing good workers after good workers is that not a type of dog bred for a specific job where it would be classed as a new sight hound breed.

its a lurcher thats the breed name is it not there are lines of fen dogs been bred true to type for years but if you go back down the line theres a mix of different dogs ie bedlington irish terrier and so on so no its not going to be a new breed they are lurcher bred dogs.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

 

 

it will never be a new breed as there crossbred so really its a mongrel what we call a lurcher bred to do a job ie hare only dog or lamp dog bred down in size for ferreting dogs theres lines of dogs which go back many years bred for one thing hare then you got your line bred fox dogs rabbit dogs and so on but they will never be a new breed as there a old breed now the lurcher.atb

when a line is breeding to type and doing the job well and producing good workers after good workers is that not a type of dog bred for a specific job where it would be classed as a new sight hound breed.

its a lurcher thats the breed name is it not there are lines of fen dogs been bred true to type for years but if you go back down the line theres a mix of different dogs ie bedlington irish terrier and so on so no its not going to be a new breed they are lurcher bred dogs.

I know what your saying but in the creation of new breeds other breeds have to be crossed to try and get the type your looking for same with terriers different types were crossed to produce new types to improve on what was already there. why can it not be the same with sighthounds. surely sighthounds were created by crossing different breeds too

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

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[kranky 507]

 

 

it will never be a new breed as there crossbred so really its a mongrel what we call a lurcher bred to do a job ie hare only dog or lamp dog bred down in size for ferreting dogs theres lines of dogs which go back many years bred for one thing hare then you got your line bred fox dogs rabbit dogs and so on but they will never be a new breed as there a old breed now the lurcher.atb

But arnt all dogs mongrels in a sence ?? A result of cross breeding / in breeding and line breeding to bring out the desirable characterristics that the breeder is looking to achieve.

 

If you can give proof of so many generations and good account of what's coming out of each litter like the type and even down to the colour say the likes of labs / rotties / dobbies / Dalmatians ect or say the variation in colours with the likes of whippets / staffs / greyhounds ect

 

The labradoddle or other x breeds that can be be defined by 3 or 4 things could be defined as a breed and in some cases even be kc regd

You'd struggle to recognise labradoodles, because they never breed to type. Even in the same litter you can get huge variations in coat, build and height. You'd have more chance with Beddy x Whippets as they breed to type and all more or less look the same. It's a shame that all the beddy x whippet owners are out pulling fallow bucks and are unable to formulate a breed standard.