WILF 51,230 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I took my boy to watch a ressie game of the senior team last Saturday, my pals boy was playing for the other team. Another bloke we know, his boy plays in the reserves of the senior team......he hasn't bothered to watch him once !! And I wouldn't mind, the lads 17 and a decent little play who is at Ryman standard.......can't get my nut round that at all. Me, I am the sad f****r stood all on his own at mid-week netball games after school never mind football !! At the reserves game Saturday, bloody hell, it's all lads 17 to 22 and their parents are still spouting shit from the sideline !!........most of the parents are big fat c**ts who don't look like they have ever done more than sit eating Cake watching match of the day. With kids, you need your thinking head on all the time I reckon. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mouse 282 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 my lad has signed a 2 year academy contract at Birmingham city u14 as goalkeeper.wba messed him about so his decision and he moved.goes there day release twice a week instead of school and trains 3 other nights and plays on sunday.they treat him so well and he is loving it.been to Barcelona to play already in april .never have and never will push him.its his choice.offf down your way on sunday wilf because he is at Cobham playing against Chelsea.he had lots of offers from bigger clubs but he is settled at blues and if he is happy then that's good enough for me. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 29,135 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 my lad has signed a 2 year academy contract at Birmingham city u14 as goalkeeper.wba messed him about so his decision and he moved.goes there day release twice a week instead of school and trains 3 other nights and plays on sunday.they treat him so well and he is loving it.been to Barcelona to play already in april .never have and never will push him.its his choice.offf down your way on sunday wilf because he is at Cobham playing against Chelsea.he had lots of offers from bigger clubs but he is settled at blues and if he is happy then that's good enough for me. Well done to your lad, all the best to him for the future and I hope it all works out for him mate.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,602 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I Played football from 9 years old, right through to last season and played at the best level my ability allowed, I was getting a little bit of cash from 15 years old playing western league and I loved every minute of playing, socialising, and making some of the best mates I've got. My lads not a natural but he's 9 he goes soccer school every Wednesday, and enjoys it, I've never pushed him at all, if he turned round tomorrow and said " dad I don't enjoy it" I'd stop it straight away. I've watched the pushy parents in the side line, half have never played or are shit so live it through their kids, not for me personally. It's got to be the kids enjoying it first and foremost. My mates lad was taken on by Plymouth, really good player at 10.. But hated it, he's back playing with his mates, no pressure... I said if he's good enough and wants it he'll wait.. Lucky for him his parents think about him and not them and their egos!!! While i admit to being one of those pushy parents who are shit themself ....it was certainly nothing to do with ego,my boy signed schoolboy forms with Leyton Orient and probably had the talent to make a decent pro unfortunately he just didnt have the hunger and desire...... i just couldnt understand that myself and we fell out over it but i think its the most natural thing in the world to want to encourage our kids to succeed in something we love ourself......we just need to know where to draw the line and i didnt unfortunately.You say your lads not a natural but does a kid have to be ?.......looking back if my boy had half the talent but twice as much hard work and dedication i believe he would have made it.........talent will get you so far attitude will get you the rest of the way.....keep encouraging him mate.....just not too hard I generalised mate with my ego comment, but you don't half see the worst in people when they're "encouraging" their little darlings from the sidelines, some of the crap they spout is mad. My nephew was a really good young player and his parents pushed him like hell, every weekend revolved around football, their daughter was dragged around and she never had any hobbies etc. it was all about the lad and how he would be a pro... It never happened he's just finished an apprenticeship for me in roofng and cladding... That's the way it goes but I feel sorry for the girl cause she had her whole childhood revolved around the patents aspirations for her brother.. My view ( right or wrong I don't know) is if their good enough it'll happen, there's a limit to how far you can push them as a parent IMO, and you right talent is not enough, you can't put in drive and ambition if it's not naturally there. And that would probably piss me off too, I can handle it I'd they're not naturally talented, but to have that and just go through the motions must be hard to watch. Well my lad likes to play, then he'll drift off into a bit of a day dream as the game carries on lol.. He's into a fair few things though so he'll be nice and rounded wth his interests hopefully. I was never one of them who shouts and screams from the sidelines like im the second coming of Alex Ferguson them sorts are an embarrassment !.....I guess being somebody who lacked a bit of natural talent myself but still accomplished a fair bit in my own sport i just couldnt get my head round him not making the most of the gift i never had.....i would of given anything to have the same level of talent he had but as you rightly say if the drive isnt there you cant force it.....he,s doing well for himself now and still enjoys a kick about with his pals he just doesnt have any of those " what if " questions like i would have and maybe that shows he,s content with his lot. I think its easy to build up a resentment when your pushed too hard our ol man pushed us hard as kids and it brought the best out of us......pushing my boy too hard brought out the worst in him i guess its having the parental skills to tell the difference and you chaps seem to have what i didnt and have it well under control so fair play to yous and im sure your youngsters will do you proud regardless 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,602 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 my lad has signed a 2 year academy contract at Birmingham city u14 as goalkeeper.wba messed him about so his decision and he moved.goes there day release twice a week instead of school and trains 3 other nights and plays on sunday.they treat him so well and he is loving it.been to Barcelona to play already in april .never have and never will push him.its his choice.offf down your way on sunday wilf because he is at Cobham playing against Chelsea.he had lots of offers from bigger clubs but he is settled at blues and if he is happy then that's good enough for me. My little West Ham are proof that it doesnt always pay to get a kid into the academy of the " bigger clubs ".....infact until somethings brought in place to force clubs to have a certain amount of English kids he,ll probably have a better chance with a lesser club..............good luck to him 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 29,135 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I Played football from 9 years old, right through to last season and played at the best level my ability allowed, I was getting a little bit of cash from 15 years old playing western league and I loved every minute of playing, socialising, and making some of the best mates I've got. My lads not a natural but he's 9 he goes soccer school every Wednesday, and enjoys it, I've never pushed him at all, if he turned round tomorrow and said " dad I don't enjoy it" I'd stop it straight away. I've watched the pushy parents in the side line, half have never played or are shit so live it through their kids, not for me personally. It's got to be the kids enjoying it first and foremost. My mates lad was taken on by Plymouth, really good player at 10.. But hated it, he's back playing with his mates, no pressure... I said if he's good enough and wants it he'll wait.. Lucky for him his parents think about him and not them and their egos!!! While i admit to being one of those pushy parents who are shit themself ....it was certainly nothing to do with ego,my boy signed schoolboy forms with Leyton Orient and probably had the talent to make a decent pro unfortunately he just didnt have the hunger and desire...... i just couldnt understand that myself and we fell out over it but i think its the most natural thing in the world to want to encourage our kids to succeed in something we love ourself......we just need to know where to draw the line and i didnt unfortunately.You say your lads not a natural but does a kid have to be ?.......looking back if my boy had half the talent but twice as much hard work and dedication i believe he would have made it.........talent will get you so far attitude will get you the rest of the way.....keep encouraging him mate.....just not too hard I generalised mate with my ego comment, but you don't half see the worst in people when they're "encouraging" their little darlings from the sidelines, some of the crap they spout is mad. My nephew was a really good young player and his parents pushed him like hell, every weekend revolved around football, their daughter was dragged around and she never had any hobbies etc. it was all about the lad and how he would be a pro... It never happened he's just finished an apprenticeship for me in roofng and cladding... That's the way it goes but I feel sorry for the girl cause she had her whole childhood revolved around the patents aspirations for her brother.. My view ( right or wrong I don't know) is if their good enough it'll happen, there's a limit to how far you can push them as a parent IMO, and you right talent is not enough, you can't put in drive and ambition if it's not naturally there. And that would probably piss me off too, I can handle it I'd they're not naturally talented, but to have that and just go through the motions must be hard to watch. Well my lad likes to play, then he'll drift off into a bit of a day dream as the game carries on lol.. He's into a fair few things though so he'll be nice and rounded wth his interests hopefully. I was never one of them who shouts and screams from the sidelines like im the second coming of Alex Ferguson them sorts are an embarrassment !.....I guess being somebody who lacked a bit of natural talent myself but still accomplished a fair bit in my own sport i just couldnt get my head round him not making the most of the gift i never had.....i would of given anything to have the same level of talent he had but as you rightly say if the drive isnt there you cant force it.....he,s doing well for himself now and still enjoys a kick about with his pals he just doesnt have any of those " what if " questions like i would have and maybe that shows he,s content with his lot.I think its easy to build up a resentment when your pushed too hard our ol man pushed us hard as kids and it brought the best out of us......pushing my boy too hard brought out the worst in him i guess its having the parental skills to tell the difference and you chaps seem to have what i didnt and have it well under control so fair play to yous and im sure your youngsters will do you proud regardless Plenty of f**k ups already gnash and I'm sure I'll make plenty more.. There's no handbook to parenting you've just got to do what you see is right at the time. I do think an element of oushing is required mind, my eldest is in her last year of school and she knows I expect her to try her best, she's fairly bright and has been predicted good grades, I expect her to achieve them because it's down to hard work now, there's a fine line to pushing them to hard and not enough, none of us know what it is until we cross it I suppose.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mouse 282 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 if you believe in your kids then let them be.daughter just left school.never got involved with her revision at all,we just left it up to her.she got 10 A results at gcse.that's what we are doing with the lad with his football.its there choice.just to add before people think it.we are are very run of the mill family,got no money at all,live in the sticks,hunt ,team chase and just get on with it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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WILF 51,230 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I Played football from 9 years old, right through to last season and played at the best level my ability allowed, I was getting a little bit of cash from 15 years old playing western league and I loved every minute of playing, socialising, and making some of the best mates I've got. My lads not a natural but he's 9 he goes soccer school every Wednesday, and enjoys it, I've never pushed him at all, if he turned round tomorrow and said " dad I don't enjoy it" I'd stop it straight away. I've watched the pushy parents in the side line, half have never played or are shit so live it through their kids, not for me personally. It's got to be the kids enjoying it first and foremost. My mates lad was taken on by Plymouth, really good player at 10.. But hated it, he's back playing with his mates, no pressure... I said if he's good enough and wants it he'll wait.. Lucky for him his parents think about him and not them and their egos!!! While i admit to being one of those pushy parents who are shit themself ....it was certainly nothing to do with ego,my boy signed schoolboy forms with Leyton Orient and probably had the talent to make a decent pro unfortunately he just didnt have the hunger and desire...... i just couldnt understand that myself and we fell out over it but i think its the most natural thing in the world to want to encourage our kids to succeed in something we love ourself......we just need to know where to draw the line and i didnt unfortunately.You say your lads not a natural but does a kid have to be ?.......looking back if my boy had half the talent but twice as much hard work and dedication i believe he would have made it.........talent will get you so far attitude will get you the rest of the way.....keep encouraging him mate.....just not too hard I generalised mate with my ego comment, but you don't half see the worst in people when they're "encouraging" their little darlings from the sidelines, some of the crap they spout is mad. My nephew was a really good young player and his parents pushed him like hell, every weekend revolved around football, their daughter was dragged around and she never had any hobbies etc. it was all about the lad and how he would be a pro... It never happened he's just finished an apprenticeship for me in roofng and cladding... That's the way it goes but I feel sorry for the girl cause she had her whole childhood revolved around the patents aspirations for her brother.. My view ( right or wrong I don't know) is if their good enough it'll happen, there's a limit to how far you can push them as a parent IMO, and you right talent is not enough, you can't put in drive and ambition if it's not naturally there. And that would probably piss me off too, I can handle it I'd they're not naturally talented, but to have that and just go through the motions must be hard to watch. Well my lad likes to play, then he'll drift off into a bit of a day dream as the game carries on lol.. He's into a fair few things though so he'll be nice and rounded wth his interests hopefully. I was never one of them who shouts and screams from the sidelines like im the second coming of Alex Ferguson them sorts are an embarrassment !.....I guess being somebody who lacked a bit of natural talent myself but still accomplished a fair bit in my own sport i just couldnt get my head round him not making the most of the gift i never had.....i would of given anything to have the same level of talent he had but as you rightly say if the drive isnt there you cant force it.....he,s doing well for himself now and still enjoys a kick about with his pals he just doesnt have any of those " what if " questions like i would have and maybe that shows he,s content with his lot.I think its easy to build up a resentment when your pushed too hard our ol man pushed us hard as kids and it brought the best out of us......pushing my boy too hard brought out the worst in him i guess its having the parental skills to tell the difference and you chaps seem to have what i didnt and have it well under control so fair play to yous and im sure your youngsters will do you proud regardless Plenty of f**k ups already gnash and I'm sure I'll make plenty more.. There's no handbook to parenting you've just got to do what you see is right at the time. I do think an element of oushing is required mind, my eldest is in her last year of school and she knows I expect her to try her best, she's fairly bright and has been predicted good grades, I expect her to achieve them because it's down to hard work now, there's a fine line to pushing them to hard and not enough, none of us know what it is until we cross it I suppose.. Same as that mate, when it comes to school I am merciless with them........the devil made work for idle hands with me and I'm buggered if I am going to let mine do the same and waste their talents that way. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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