sureshot.177 49 Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Thanks guys its all pointing towards the prosport but there just something I love about the tx200 I went down me local shop who had both on the shelf and they both suit me seeing what ill get for the hw at the moment it's hard to part with it but it is making shooting a little boring an I don't do a great deal of hunting and really want to learn how to handle the recoil Quote Link to post
Craig Fosse 286 Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 This is making me think about springers again hahaha. Quote Link to post
Mawders 595 Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Aye to true timmy, for me I've owned two pcp's last year and both deadly accurate not needing any form of airgun mastery to use but they were lifeless soulless rifles so went back to springer which is where it's at for me, yeah it means I might miss more than I hit but the pleasure when you do hit that target is second to none. That great big smile like the Cheshire Cat beaming across your face when you pull off a cracking shot! Just can't beat it! 1 Quote Link to post
Bossmugler 14 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 I agree with the satifaction of nailing a shot with a springer, that is mostly predictable with a PCP. Thats why I have both types of guns, and therefore the best of both worlds Quote Link to post
zini 1,939 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Without upsetting or meaning to upset anyone that reads this I believe and have witnessed this myself that you can sit a pcp on a bipod and ask a child that as never shot before to put the cross on the target at 25 yards and pull the trigger and they will do it easily enough if no wind is present and the rifle is zeroed properly etc. This would not be the case if you asked them to do it with a springer, be it tuned or not. Now i know that a lot of the lads i shoot with only shoot pcps but i also know they are very good shots in the wind and at all ranges and are far better a shot than me, so I'm not getting at anyone here and its just a un bias comment on what I've noticed. I think that pcp's being so nice to shoot have taken away the need for a lot of shooters to use the marksmanship principles and go through the correct phases of taking a aimed shot that being in the military teaches us this is why people say that making a good shot with a springer is a lot more satisfying that with a PCP. I also think that now peoples minds and views have been changed back to the idea of shooting springers and that more people like myself are now shooting and owning both. At the end of the day if your happy shooting a springer or pcp thats what really matters and we shouldn't look down or less on anyone that shoots either. I was told a story a few months ago by someone i trust 100% about a bloke that turned up at a shooting club for the first time and got out his gun bag from his car only to be asked by one of the club staff what rifle he had in his bag. He said a springer (cant remember which model, it was something like a BSA Lightning) but the club member said don't bother fella, get back in your car and off you go, no springer will be shot at our club. The bloke asked what could be shot and the club member said PCP's Daystate, BSA or Weihrauch . Terrible behavior. Si. Edited February 22, 2013 by zini Quote Link to post
Craig Fosse 286 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 That its absolutely foul... So basically he was saying that u need a couple of grand to shoot there. Unfortunately u still get people like this nowadays and that makes me sick, my local gun club in almost stopped me buying .177 pellets because apparently they are illegal to use for hunting because of the caliber size. It really does give the sport a bad name when people are so less informed. Quote Link to post
pianoman 3,589 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 WHAT!!? 1 Quote Link to post
Skot Ruthless Teale 1,701 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 in regards to the comments made by - Zini, fu*king tossers they are they should let them shoot whatever. and Craig - i shot loads of vermin last year with .177 so i hope the cops dont take me away lmao. i find a lot of pleasure in shooting my £300 HW95K (about £450 with scope) a lot more pleasure than i would get out of shooting a £1400 Daystate with a £500 scope on top. it would get boring to me. i like the challenge of trying to 'beat' the springers recoil and master it. like trying to stalk a rabbit etc its a challenge, which when we get it right and 'win' it feels rewarding. if i had a rifle club/ shooting range i would let my customers shoot any rifle they f*ckin fancied shooting in any f*ckin calibre they fancied. there there to - practice, enjoy there hobby see their friends, have a bit of banter etc and mostly have fun.. id tell that range owner to stick his range up his backside.. in the nice possible way, of course. 2 Quote Link to post
Mawders 595 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 in regards to the comments made by - Zini, fu*king tossers they are they should let them shoot whatever. and Craig - i shot loads of vermin last year with .177 so i hope the cops dont take me away lmao. i find a lot of pleasure in shooting my £300 HW95K (about £450 with scope) a lot more pleasure than i would get out of shooting a £1400 Daystate with a £500 scope on top. it would get boring to me. i like the challenge of trying to 'beat' the springers recoil and master it. like trying to stalk a rabbit etc its a challenge, which when we get it right and 'win' it feels rewarding. if i had a rifle club/ shooting range i would let my customers shoot any rifle they f*ckin fancied shooting in any f*ckin calibre they fancied. there there to - practice, enjoy there hobby see their friends, have a bit of banter etc and mostly have fun.. id tell that range owner to stick his range up his backside.. in the nice possible way, of course. I wouldn't even be nice about telling him, I'm as subtle as a brick to the face when someone needs educating on the error of their ways! Someone at my club had their really expensive rifle in a vice type setup the other week and was literally not touching the gun only their finger pulling the trigger, I sat there and observed, noticed the grimace come across his face when I pulled a HW35 from its bag that had been lent to me by a valued friend. I then proceeded to smash the bull to ribbons in front of him at 30 yards, went and collected my target and just smiled at the bloke! Then said "there you go you wanna get one of these, far cheaper than that!" Ha ha I then fluffed the next few targets but I tell you what I would rather that than sit there not touching my rifle and just squeezing the trigger. I must say I have noticed alot of elitism from pcp owners and their views on springers. Lets not forget where the sport started! 2 Quote Link to post
Skot Ruthless Teale 1,701 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 in regards to the comments made by - Zini, fu*king tossers they are they should let them shoot whatever. and Craig - i shot loads of vermin last year with .177 so i hope the cops dont take me away lmao. i find a lot of pleasure in shooting my £300 HW95K (about £450 with scope) a lot more pleasure than i would get out of shooting a £1400 Daystate with a £500 scope on top. it would get boring to me. i like the challenge of trying to 'beat' the springers recoil and master it. like trying to stalk a rabbit etc its a challenge, which when we get it right and 'win' it feels rewarding. if i had a rifle club/ shooting range i would let my customers shoot any rifle they f*ckin fancied shooting in any f*ckin calibre they fancied. there there to - practice, enjoy there hobby see their friends, have a bit of banter etc and mostly have fun.. id tell that range owner to stick his range up his backside.. in the nice possible way, of course. I wouldn't even be nice about telling him, I'm as subtle as a brick to the face when someone needs educating on the error of their ways! Someone at my club had their really expensive rifle in a vice type setup the other week and was literally not touching the gun only their finger pulling the trigger, I sat there and observed, noticed the grimace come across his face when I pulled a HW35 from its bag that had been lent to me by a valued friend. I then proceeded to smash the bull to ribbons in front of him at 30 yards, went and collected my target and just smiled at the bloke! Then said "there you go you wanna get one of these, far cheaper than that!" Ha ha I then fluffed the next few targets but I tell you what I would rather that than sit there not touching my rifle and just squeezing the trigger. I must say I have noticed alot of elitism . i dont know what this word means but im guessing it describes the pcp guys as , posh snotty up-their-own-ar5e , looking down on you because oooh their gun is worth 3x as much as theirs type stuff yeah?? lol from pcp owners and their views on springers. Lets not forget where the sport started! Quote Link to post
pianoman 3,589 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Elitism from PCP owners Phil?. Look as far as I'm concerned, PCPs were invented to give accuracy to people who have none. That is a painful truth. Or why can't your average PCP-only shooter hit a barn door with any other rifle type? Apart from armourers and techies, who the f**k else would put a rifle in a friggin' vice to shoot it from?? Presumably so he can see what a one-hole group looks like? They're like a crutch . Nowt else. They help a person walk where legs alone are not up to the task. I hate the fooking things even more after reading these posts. And as for that twat at the club. It says to me they are all a bunch of anal noobs who won't let a springer shooter near them otr he'll really show em up! PCPs are not for shooters; they are for operators! Simon the Pianobastard! Edited February 22, 2013 by pianoman 3 Quote Link to post
Mawders 595 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Piano b*****d! That made me spit coffee everywhere when I read that, ha ha ha. Please request a username change that's so cool! 2 Quote Link to post
Craig Fosse 286 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Lol, don't worry skot I educated him by showing him pictures of my s200 and some of the damage it does to rabbits. I quite agree along the whole Pcp line, e probable, with me is when I got my smk 19 off my budget from being away on tour I went to my local gunshop in Somerset and the guy sold me an smk 19 springer.... Now I know he was only after my money but that is what made me move from springers... However even though I had a bad springer it still taught me the essence of shooting, and I shoot my Pcp now because I'm better for it... Breathing, follow through, correct sight alignment, I love my s200 but my next rifle will be an FAC springer but a more popular named brand. I like the idea of old fashioned, a challenge... And most of all..... No shot count till u head back to the car hahaha 2 Quote Link to post
zini 1,939 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I'm sure this is just a 1 off occurrence gents from a up his own butt, anal, old doddering, arm chair air gun enthusiast, and there are tonnes of clubs out there that welcome young and old, rifles from B2 to Daystates with open arms . I've witnessed this snobbery and people being stuck up myself. I was one of the 4 lads off here last year that got basically laughed at and told you couldn't zero your springer from a bench (table top) and you needed to be in the prone position or you wouldn't hit anything when we came to shoot the HFT targets Funny that because all 4 of us scored really high with one of us winning a silver medal and another almost in the medals . That same bloke didn't say a thing at the medals ceremony apart from went red when one of the lads mentioned "not bad shooting from someone who wasn't zeroed" . Si. 2 Quote Link to post
pianoman 3,589 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Well...maybe I was being unkind to the good lads who prefer their PCPs in the light of the outrageous anecdotes I read from Phil and Craig. But honestly, have you ever heard such rubbish as banning lads with springers from a shooting ground....Feckin spazzer! FAC HW80, Diana 52 or 54 Airking. Now we're talking recoil management! Brilliant guns on ticket these!! Quote Link to post
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