Just Got My Shot Gun Licence

[Nik_B 3,790]

true... lol do yous have to have a separate safe for your ammunition for shotguns?? for we do bit of a balls to me

 

going to need a big safe to store a couple of thousand cartridges

[gouldy257 79]

 

true... lol do yous have to have a separate safe for your ammunition for shotguns?? for we do bit of a balls to me

 

going to need a big safe to store a couple of thousand cartridges

 

 

 

true... lol do yous have to have a separate safe for your ammunition for shotguns?? for we do bit of a balls to me

Only for rifles and ammo. Shotguns carts just need to be out of sight

 

it's pure pish over here got i bought a wee safe holds 8 boxes at the most but yet an all FAO said it was grand theres ten boxes in a carton what do we do with rest of the cartons FFS stupid c**ts they are over here then if you quiz why do you have to keep them separate its because if your gun cabinets stole they wont have ammo but yet an all you can get a cabinet with a inside ammo bit which passes so there guna get it all anyway they'd wanna wise up ..

[Chid 6,377]

 

 

you need to be out with someone that's has already possessed their firearm certificate for 5 years on your first year ,,, watch where your hail is landing after your shots..

your friend can apply for a loan permit which means you keep the gun at home but he can also shoot with it when yous are out together he only has to be 17 for that..

you'll soon get the hang of all it happy shooting

 

Where did you get this info from?

 

 

FAO was just out the other week only got mine two,,,, pretty fresh info it is..

its 6 month supervision and it has to be by some one over the age of 21 who as held there FAC for more than 3yrs for the same type of gun , and they dont check that you have an ammo safe for shotgun cartridges

[COMPO 54]

This has been covered many times, make of this what you will! Also covers the situation with rifles!

 

 

 

Shot guns

Section 11(5) of the 1968 Act allows

an individual, without holding a shot gun

certificate, to borrow a shot gun from the

occupier of private premises and use it on

those premises in the occupier’s presence.

The presence of the occupier is normally

taken to mean within sight and earshot of

the individual borrowing the firearm. The term

“occupier” is not defined in the Firearms

Acts, nor has a Court clarified its

meaning.

However, the Firearms Consultative

Committee in their 5th Annual report

recommended that the provisions of section

27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981

be adopted. This states that ‘“occupier” in

relation to any land, other than the

foreshore, includes any person having any right of

hunting, shooting, fishing or taking game or

fish’. In the absence of any firm

definition for firearms purposes, it is suggested that

each chief officer of police may wish to

make use of this definition. On some occasions

though, where the status of a certificate

holder acting as an occupier is an issue,

the chief officer may need to consider seeking

the advice of counsel. Section 57(4)

provides that “premises” shall include any land. The

borrower may be of any age but an offence

may be committed under section 22(3) if a

minor under the age of 15 is not supervised

by a person over 21 years of age.

6.15 Similarly, section 11(6) of the 1968 Act

allows an individual, without holding a

shotgun certificate, to use a shot gun at a

time and place approved for shooting at

artificial targets by the chief officer of police for

the area in which that place is situated. As

the approval of such time and place is

prescribed by law and there may be duty of care issues

involved, chief officers may wish not only

to satisfy themselves that such events are

properly conducted and supervised, but also

to establish that there are no public

safety issues involved. When an exemption is

granted, the chief officer should advise

the organiser that they are responsible for

ensuring, so far as is practicable, that

adequate precautions are taken for the

safety of the participants and any spectators.

Shoots at which participants hold certificates do

not require an exemption under section 11(6).

Organisers operating in conjunction with

business, such as corporate entertainment,

will have additional responsibilities under

the Health and Safety at Work Act.

Borrowed rifles on private premises

6.16 Section 16(1) of the 1988 Act enables a

person to borrow a rifle from the occupier

of private premises and to use it on those

premises in the presence of either the

occupier or their

servant without holding a

firearm certificate in respect of that

rifle. It should be noted that this gives slightly

more flexibility in the use of a borrowed rifle

than is permissible with the use of a shot gun

as described in paragraph 6.14, in that the

borrowed rifle can also be used in the

presence of the servant of the occupier.

However, the occupier and/or their servant

must hold a firearm certificate in respect

of the firearm being used, and the borrower,

who must be accompanied by the certificate

holder (whether it is the occupier or their

servant), must comply with the conditions

of the certificate. These may include a

safekeeping requirement and, in some cases,

territorial restrictions. Section 57(4) of

the 1968 Act defines “premises” as including

any land. The effect of the provision is to

allow a person visiting a private estate to

borrow and use a rifle without a certificate. The

exemption does not extend to persons under

the age of 17 or to other types of firearm.

There is no notification required on the

loan of a firearm under these

circumstances. A borrowed rifle should not be specifically

identified as such on a “keeper’s” or

“landowner’s” firearm certificate. The term

“in the presence of” is not defined in law

but is generally interpreted as being

within sight and earshot.

6.17 Section 16(2) of the 1988 Act provides

for a person borrowing a rifle in

accordance with section 16(1) of the 1988 Act to

purchase or acquire ammunition for use in

the rifle, and to have it in their

possession during the period for which the rifle is

borrowed, without holding a certificate.

The borrower’s possession of the ammunition

must comply with the conditions on the

certificate of the person in whose presence

they are and the amount of ammunition

borrowed must not exceed that which the

certificate holder is authorised to have in

their possession at that time. It should be

noted that the borrower may only take

possession of the ammunition during the

period of the loan of the rifle at which

time they will be in the presence of the

certificate holder. If the persons selling or handing

over the ammunition are not certificate

holders, it may be necessary for them to

see the certificate to satisfy themselves

that the terms of this section have been met and

that the amount of ammunition the borrower

wishes to acquire is no greater than that

which the certificate holder is authorised

to possess. However, the details of the

transaction need not be recorded on

the certificate.

 

thats brilliant it was what i looked up and confirmed with my FEO last year.

 

i took my sons cadet group shooting with a mate, sec 11 covers it all and the way my FEO understood Occupier was as written, someone with permission on the land

 

i have introduced a few to shooting and without the ability to handle a gun under supervision its an expensive trial to gain a certificate just to have a go

[steve_7 10]

was told by my keeper its a grey area... although i have permission to shoot on the land from the 2 keepers, they have the rights to shoot and can only let people shoot the land who has a sgc,something about an old law???? but if i had fac i could let my brother use.

 

however he also said its down to me if i let my brother shoot, they will back me if police get involved and as im insured etc etc it "should" be ok, but as i havnt had sgc for long i dont want to risk it.

[SportingShooter 0]

Until it goes to court, much like a lot of other firearms law, it will never be clarified.

 

Until then, common sense

[Deker 3,453]

Until it goes to court, much like a lot of other firearms law, it will never be clarified.

 

Until then, common sense

 

As above, for the normal day to day use/borrowing I see nothing in the public interest in bringing any sort of test case.

 

Unfortunately, if the poo really hits the fan one day and everything goes badly wrong for someone this may be tested, we are talking about debatable possibilities, and with printed guidelines it would be an interesting case.

[steve_7 10]

i just dont want to be the test case with my ugly mug front page of local papers

[Deker 3,453]

i just dont want to be the test case with my ugly mug front page of local papers

 

I've got a feeling you would make the Nationals, and Breakfast TV, and 6 and 10 News!

 

You may even get a write up in Hunting Life!

[steve_7 10]

its one of those grey areas i really wouldnt want to challenge, in the very near future i will be going for fac.... purely for bunnies, some longer range sniping, but doesnt seem right that my brother could take over and use that but not a spare shotgun while under my supervision for avian control.... mind you theres alot of grey areas and also feo's that dont know there job, pleased i have decent mentors.

 

 

 

 

i just dont want to be the test case with my ugly mug front page of local papers

 

I've got a feeling you would make the Nationals, and Breakfast TV, and 6 and 10 News!

 

You may even get a write up in Hunting Life!

 

 

lol would give you all some good targets to print out