Ripstop 89 Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) Troy, tubo and nan are on their(moochers.. Did nan not have a bit white here and there. the owner is on here. This was discussed a lot on the old pat site. was Star in the line as well, the mother maybe? Or am I whistling against smoke. Was there a very good bitch of this stuff with teth like cockeyed toothpicks? I think there was a pup actually advertised on here for 350 quid that was mostly white with a black head, coloured black and it would be a Patterdale?????,. maybe the onr will comment.(S) Edited December 3, 2012 by Ripstop Link to post
TUFFTY 1,476 Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Ive got a few pics of the said dogs BUT, Cant seem to find them Bare with me TUFFTY there s three nice pic s of the troy dog on moochers site if you know were to look Cant get on there Dee Mac Havent for king ages TUFFTY Link to post
suedehead 6 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 only person who knows that for sure is mr gould himself but be carefull as the old school breeders\dealers are fond of telling you what you want to hear especially when the pound note is in the equation but the dogs you mentioned were very good dogs and mr gould produced many good dogs and if everybody is honest put the black dog on the map along with a few other breeders but credit must also go to the digging lads who got these terriers and bred them among themselves to work and work only not caring for the pound as these small kennells of dogs all over the country is what has kept the black dog working not like the russells lakie s borders etc that got mass produced for pounds and rossettes with no reguard for there main purpose work so i say keep the black dogs ugly and grafting there s enough pretty pretenders without anymore . i couldnt agree less. there is as much shite produced from black/red / choc/ patts . as any other breed. if not more. the blacks had a really good name when i was younger. they had a name for early entering. this they did and in fine style. what wasnt noticed was the fact a large percentage walked off early you could see these one or two season wonders winning shows up and down the country . and getting used at stud to all and sundry . there are some very good blacks patts. and folk that keep and breed them for the right reasons. but the bulk of your beloved breed are bred for the big names that are falling off the back of there pedigree. and the dogs that won the yorky or midland . and they are everywhere living as pets. getting bred to buy in christmas pressies . not so different from where i stand than any other breed bred for work. only a small percentage are owned by genuine working dog gents. ive seen worked and worked. dogs from brightmore nuttall gould they was no better than the lad down the roads dogs. makes you laugh blacks are no better or worse than any other working terrier. and the biggest name to damage the black terrier is. BLACK . LONG LIVE THE WORKING RUSSELL clean spade come out of your bubble you well know that the most common and consistant workers in most decent digging lads kennells are black dogs or dogs down out of these type of dogs be they red choc or what ever there are some lads that have kept the russell lakie and border etc true to the type and breed for work and work only but the chances of obtaining one are slim unless your a close friend or digging partner and the way it should stay in my opinion the days of bringing in a russell without having to question there parents working back ground are gone years ago people kept a terrier for one reason that was to keep vermin out of there yards etc or to work to ground not to try and make them breed champions and pocket fillers take a look at the craze there was a few years back tea cup russells people were breeding them as small as they could get them and people were queing round the block to buy them but i ll bet you ten pound to a penny not one of them was bought with work in mind look at the border now commanding big money with most only a shadow of the dog they used to be i know that some are starting to try and push the black dog down this road by flogging them to every corner of the globe but most decent lads have now copped this on and stick to kennnells were the dogs are worked and bred only for work unfortunately the russell is beyond repair and the days or the small white terriers hanging about the streets that would go to hunt with anybody that was going and do a good days graft are long gone i think the older boys call them the good ol days !ps if you have a working russell of a high standard then fair play and make sure you try and produce some more with it as i ve seen some good russells work in my time but not for a good few years now and i kennell one in the morning if i could get one plus it would take the dark look of my kennells good god i despair at times ,,,,, no working russells to grace our fair lands only working black dogs ,,,,,,,,what a fxxking bone head :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: 1 Link to post
brightmoore 1 Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 is the white on these dogs from the staff Link to post
Ripstop 89 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I dunno, but would say russell and staff. Like the replies from the black lads now lol. Link to post
brightmoore 1 Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Ripstop have you seen any of these dogs and ifso what are the parents like? Link to post
brightmoore 1 Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 seems like alot of secrets about these dogs. secrets are made to hide the truth. what does it matter what it took to get to were you are. what matters is the end result. Link to post
south paw48 27 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Troy, tubo and nan are on their(moochers.. Did nan not have a bit white here and there. the owner is on here. This was discussed a lot on the old pat site. was Star in the line as well, the mother maybe? Or am I whistling against smoke. Was there a very good bitch of this stuff with teth like cockeyed toothpicks? I think there was a pup actually advertised on here for 350 quid that was mostly white with a black head, coloured black and it would be a Patterdale?????,. maybe the onr will comment.(S) Nan had a white spot on her chest not here and there and no Star wasnt her dam. Link to post
brightmoore 1 Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 south paw48 do you know what dogs turbo & troy are out of and what dogs they are bred down from? Link to post
south paw48 27 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 south paw48 do you know what dogs turbo & troy are out of and what dogs they are bred down from? Yes i know . But i aint putin the breedin on here of other lads dogs it aint my place . All that line of stuf and the offspring aswell are good workers and producers all stay until dug to. Link to post
Ripstop 89 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 South paw, what dog had a bit white here and there then> Maybe the wrong line of dogs, but ive a feeling that its the same. Ive never seen them work, but heard good. Just my bit input, making for discussion. Link to post
Ripstop 89 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 was star not aunty or daughter then? Link to post
south paw48 27 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 was star not aunty or daughter then? Star was outa the Nigger dog. Link to post
brightmoore 1 Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 south paw can you atleast tell me this are these dogs pure on goulds old black dog strain? Link to post
Ripstop 89 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Nigger pure black? big very hard dog? Link to post
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