what type of cross to run on grouse moors

[SMART DOG 340]

try your daft wee dogs waiting five hours on a fox pre ban or hunting foxes out day in day out chaseing roe thats hundred or more yardsd away pre ban , we have the wrong end of the stick the guy asked whats the best dog for moors , im not talking a rabbit dog blue hares im talking pre ban keepers dog, fox etc odd daY at BLUEYS,all the grouse keepers i know have pretty powerful dogs once the weathers shitty ,two there out with terriers alot ,dont no any keeprs localy who have small dogs for covering great expanses of moor , one had big strong pionter crosses deerhound crosses wheaton saluki crosses , dogs that can cover the heather not run through it and dogs that can take the big hills on a strong fox etc pre ban , all depends what yo want out a dog and if your keepering or just out for a day ,most half decent dogs would cacth on the moors had colie types saluk types they destroyed game easy ,but if the moors was my place to hunt get a dog with a good jacket and a bit of leg room for the heather

where on the thread say he was wanting to no what the best pre ban dog for running fox and roe on the moors

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

try your daft wee dogs waiting five hours on a fox pre ban or hunting foxes out day in day out chaseing roe thats hundred or more yardsd away pre ban , we have the wrong end of the stick the guy asked whats the best dog for moors , im not talking a rabbit dog blue hares im talking pre ban keepers dog, fox etc odd daY at BLUEYS,all the grouse keepers i know have pretty powerful dogs once the weathers shitty ,two there out with terriers alot ,dont no any keeprs localy who have small dogs for covering great expanses of moor , one had big strong pionter crosses deerhound crosses wheaton saluki crosses , dogs that can cover the heather not run through it and dogs that can take the big hills on a strong fox etc pre ban , all depends what yo want out a dog and if your keepering or just out for a day ,most half decent dogs would cacth on the moors had colie types saluk types they destroyed game easy ,but if the moors was my place to hunt get a dog with a good jacket and a bit of leg room for the heather

where on the thread say he was wanting to no what the best pre ban dog for running fox and roe on the moors

At the end of the day , what he said is true enough... My ideal type (not stating breeding, as this could come from a variety of breeding like whin said, pointer,deerhound,saluki,collie etc) would have a good length of leg, good jacket and tough, with a cracking nose.

I was a hill keeper before starting up on my own, and my bull/grey worked moors very well, his nose was unbelievable, his coat was his main fault, and even though he performed well, another inch or two on his leg could have helped cover the heather better.

[BLACKWATER... 157]

the moors are local to me , had some [bANNED TEXT] good days up there but if iwas going stay up there be a deerhound type cross either collie or saluki, a good coat as the winter and weather is harsh , saw smooth coated dogs not faring well staying up in the hills were the beardie and deerhound type dont mind ,and thrive , a good hill dog should be capable in handling what qaury comes along like the old scotish deerhound type did years ago

Edited June 28, 2012 by BLACKWATER...

[saluki bouy 915]

a run the moorland every year its apbsolutely great right on my door step the hares are great for bringing pups on but you can have some good sport with older dogs especially if you dont let them hunt up keep them on the slip get a spaniel working away in front and give them a long slip dogs have to be quite fast not all out speed machines but they have to cover the ground before hare gets out of sight which to be honest is probably how most dogs loose them you dont get that problem on the fens now. dogs i run are saluki greyhound hybrids and bout twenty three -four inchs to shoulder that dont sit back real up an at them not had many injurys touch wood on the hill probably just as many of it the older bitch struggles abit with the weather some days but the young bitch got a rough coat shes spot on . not sure what id call perfect hill cross but i do beleive any whippety types wouldnt last long and i thinks that more to do with unsighting the quarry . Saluki collie deerhound hybrids bedlington as well an your in the right place . blackwaters on about what dogs the hill keepers keep around here most that i know are cooped up in the kennel all year round brought out now and again and expected to work miricales but most i no keep bull xs couple deerhound an saluki crosses and theres only a couple boys ad give credit to with there dogs this rest i wouldnt even think about . I ve allways fancied a thre quarter greyhound quarter wirehaired pointer would reckon these would be a cracker on the hill .

[BLACKWATER... 157]

germna wirehaired pionter has the coat grit and good feet , there was a breeder k smith years ago had them on lamermuirs, ye alot of keepers dont keep there dogs in good shape thats for sure , and expect them to jump out there bed ready to go , not my scene , mate had a big beardie cross and a deerhound cross both took the weather fine in winter , and done well ,it can be a cold day doing pestcontrol and waiting for sport with a terrier , i hunted the hills with a beardie collie cross and a colie lurcher both took weather well , but he smooth coats didnt like it some of them , hanging about in snow and allsorts of weather ,for a bolt , if you go further north in the real highlands well youle not get better than some of the deerhoundy colie type , for the scrag peaty land and rough running land , some saluks do well to but i like a good coat on them

[Giro 2,648]

Think them Minshaws could do the biz whin?? On a grouse moor ??

[BLACKWATER... 157]

dont no never lived and worked on the moor full time as a keeper mate ,i know the beardies take some beating for the rough weather living out side no heated kennels etc , and expected to work in it ,any dog can go out have aday wel if hees up for it come home get wrapped up rested its when they do it 3 4 or more times a week at some times of year , pionter crosses beardie crosses are real hardy dogs,

[minshaw man 111]

germna wirehaired pionter has the coat grit and good feet , there was a breeder k smith years ago had them on lamermuirs, ye alot of keepers dont keep there dogs in good shape thats for sure , and expect them to jump out there bed ready to go , not my scene , mate had a big beardie cross and a deerhound cross both took the weather fine in winter , and done well ,it can be a cold day doing pestcontrol and waiting for sport with a terrier , i hunted the hills with a beardie collie cross and a colie lurcher both took weather well , but he smooth coats didnt like it some of them , hanging about in snow and allsorts of weather ,for a bolt , if you go further north in the real highlands well youle not get better than some of the deerhoundy colie type , for the scrag peaty land and rough running land , some saluks do well to but i like a good coat on them

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[2.8 guy 403]

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