Advice needed

[woodoak 1]

I’ve just redeveloped my business teaching Bushcraft skills to include sniper training. I want to work on promoting my business in public places but have a bit of a problem with being able to have a wooden model of a sniper rifle on the stand. It’s surely going to be breaking the UK law relating to replica firearms in public. It can easily be displayed with a sign stating it only being a model and not real, but would that be legal? Any legal advice or suggestions would be most gratefully received.

[paulus 26]

I’ve just redeveloped my business teaching Bushcraft skills to include sniper training. I want to work on promoting my business in public places but have a bit of a problem with being able to have a wooden model of a sniper rifle on the stand. It’s surely going to be breaking the UK law relating to replica firearms in public. It can easily be displayed with a sign stating it only being a model and not real, but would that be legal? Any legal advice or suggestions would be most gratefully received.

would not a phone called to firearms licensing dept. be the way to find out for sure

[socks 32,253]

Who the hell are you going to teach sniper training to and why ??? A basic sniper course is 6 weeks long how long are your courses ???

[woodoak 1]

@socks. The courses are 6 weeks long. I will be running a 1 day course on very basic cammo without any shooting. The real truth is most of the people who would use the sniper skills would be wildlife photographs, birdwatchers and the usual airsoft/paintballing lot. Its more about camouflage and concealment of person and equipment, stalking, hide building etc.

Edited May 4, 2012 by woodoak

[darkie 143]

can you teach me to conceal myself from my wife please

[woodoak 1]

@Darkie. Yes, its called work and the pub. :-)

[Lab 10,979]

@socks. The courses are 6 weeks long. I will be running a 1 day course on very basic cammo without any shooting. The real truth is most of the people who would use the sniper skills would be wildlife photographs, birdwatchers and the usual airsoft/paintballing lot. Its more about camouflage and concealment of person and equipment, stalking, hide building etc.

What do you need a gun shape for then? This sounds like your going to charge adults to play hide and seek.

[socks 32,253]

You are not using a replica firearm you are using a wooden model which is completely different and fine to use ... If you are worried then just ring the local law so if any numpty rings in they are per warned ....... And don't forget to teach them the 5 s's

[woodoak 1]

@Lab-Tastic, lol you could put it like that. But having said that, i cant have a real rifle on a public stand to promote my business. Although I have private land to run the courses on over here, I also have private land in Canada that will form part of the training course. Lots of hunters over there that have the freedom that we don’t have here. So why do I need a rifle shape? Because its part of the course. I could just wear the Ghillie suit but it will be missing the image of what I will be providing.

[woodoak 1]

@socks. Lol I have always wondered why it was only 5’s, Shape, shine, shadow, silhouette, sound, and then there’s smell, speed, spacing (if on patrol) even shadows if you wanted to get real deeper about it. The wooden model is hand made by me and I think I made it too real looking. But I didn’t think a clear plastic gun would have the same impact on a show stand. I only need to ask because after 20 years of the MoD providing me with everything I needed without worrying about the public and the law, it’s much different on Civvi Street.

[socks 32,253]

20 years in the military ??? So you left with only 2 years to go before your full pension strange that ??? And I don't know who taught you your sniper training but the fifth S is for sudden movement and not sound ..... Those are variables that will get you seen And killed... Spacing isn't needed as a sniper will either work alone or with 1 other to act as a spotter calculate wind speed etc .... Depends on the job ...... Speed is covered in sudden movement and if you can be smelt then as a sniper I suggest you are a little close to your target ..............

[PlasticJock 539]

20 years in the military ??? So you left with only 2 years to go before your full pension strange that ??? And I don't know who taught you your sniper training but the fifth S is for sudden movement and not sound ..... Those are variables that will get you seen And killed... Spacing isn't needed as a sniper will either work alone or with 1 other to act as a spotter calculate wind speed etc .... Depends on the job ...... Speed is covered in sudden movement and if you can be smelt then as a sniper I suggest you are a little close to your target ..............

 

Firstly, snipers never work alone.

 

Secondly, smell is important as it reminds you of deodorant, aftershave, cigarette smoke and the need to avoid them.

If you've ever been to a jungle or been out and about at night with a few guys you'll know about how easy it is to pick up on trace scents. I'm a smoker and can smell things at unbelievable distances a long as the wind is right.

 

Third, it's Smell, sound, shadow, silhouette, spacing, shine, and movement. 6 S's and an M

[SeanMcD 92]

common sense then with out the bull an you get charged for it

[socks 32,253]

20 years in the military ??? So you left with only 2 years to go before your full pension strange that ??? And I don't know who taught you your sniper training but the fifth S is for sudden movement and not sound ..... Those are variables that will get you seen And killed... Spacing isn't needed as a sniper will either work alone or with 1 other to act as a spotter calculate wind speed etc .... Depends on the job ...... Speed is covered in sudden movement and if you can be smelt then as a sniper I suggest you are a little close to your target ..............

 

Firstly, snipers never work alone.

 

Secondly, smell is important as it reminds you of deodorant, aftershave, cigarette smoke and the need to avoid them.

If you've ever been to a jungle or been out and about at night with a few guys you'll know about how easy it is to pick up on trace scents. I'm a smoker and can smell things at unbelievable distances a long as the wind is right.

 

Third, it's Smell, sound, shadow, silhouette, spacing, shine, and movement. 6 S's and an M

 

Lol snipers never work alone realy secondly smell is only important as part of general field craft and not as part of sniper training by the time you get to that level you should understand wind direction and general field craft thirdly sudden movement ? Movement? All the same realy fella isn't it .... As for jungles take your pick Belize Kathendini Borneo blah blah blah no matter where in the world you are the basic principles for survival are the same .............

[PlasticJock 539]

20 years in the military ??? So you left with only 2 years to go before your full pension strange that ??? And I don't know who taught you your sniper training but the fifth S is for sudden movement and not sound ..... Those are variables that will get you seen And killed... Spacing isn't needed as a sniper will either work alone or with 1 other to act as a spotter calculate wind speed etc .... Depends on the job ...... Speed is covered in sudden movement and if you can be smelt then as a sniper I suggest you are a little close to your target ..............

 

Firstly, snipers never work alone.

 

Secondly, smell is important as it reminds you of deodorant, aftershave, cigarette smoke and the need to avoid them.

If you've ever been to a jungle or been out and about at night with a few guys you'll know about how easy it is to pick up on trace scents. I'm a smoker and can smell things at unbelievable distances a long as the wind is right.

 

Third, it's Smell, sound, shadow, silhouette, spacing, shine, and movement. 6 S's and an M

 

Lol snipers never work alone realy secondly smell is only important as part of general field craft and not as part of sniper training by the time you get to that level you should understand wind direction and general field craft thirdly sudden movement ? Movement? All the same realy fella isn't it .... As for jungles take your pick Belize Kathendini Borneo blah blah blah no matter where in the world you are the basic principles for survival are the same .............

 

Not saying they don't ever work without a spotter, but when they do they aren't on their own.

We all need reminding of the basics, and need a solid foundation to build on, so I wasn't surprised when we went over them again on my course

Smell is even more important when dealing with animals do it's a good idea to incorporate it into the course in question...

Sudden movement is obviously a no no, however if you know you're the target of a counter sniper or your general area is being observed, then movement itself becomes a problem. I've never seen a bush wobble or shake without something inside it.

So in summary, any decent course in advanced skills in anything, will go over the basics no matter what - anyone that tells you otherwise probably has the impression that snipers are superhuman wizards who fly about in balaclavas, when the reality is they're soldiers who perform the basics first and foremost up to the highest standard.