help please

[chris1wg 24]

i just wana ask if my mate wants to come out shooting with me who dont hold a sg license is he allowed to borrow 1 of my guns aw does he have to have a license himself ????

[paulus 26]

i just wana ask if my mate wants to come out shooting with me who dont hold a sg license is he allowed to borrow 1 of my guns aw does he have to have a license himself ????

if he comes with you he carnt be in possesion of a borrowed shot gun without a shot gun license of his own.however if you have one gun between you who will know if he has the odd shot.

[chris1wg 24]

ok cheers mate that have cleard that up

[chris1wg 24]

You may only lend a shotgun to someone without a certificate if you are with that person, on land of which you are legally the occupier OR if you are at a clay pigeon shoot where the chief constable has granted special permission to allow non-certificate holders to shoot,

 

i just read this on a shotgun law page ???

[paulus 26]

You may only lend a shotgun to someone without a certificate if you are with that person, on land of which you are legally the occupier OR if you are at a clay pigeon shoot where the chief constable has granted special permission to allow non-certificate holders to shoot,

 

i just read this on a shotgun law page ???

thats why i said he cannot be in possesion of a borrowed shot on his own without a license i.e 2 shotguns, and nobody will know if he has the odd shot if hes out with you. i assumed you did not own or rent the land.

[chris1wg 24]

i asked because i seen a really cheap 12g in the shop and was gonna buy it so if my mate come and done abit of decoying with me he could use that instead of his air rifle, im abit confused really, and the land i dont own i got permission on.

[jackinbox99 41]

My understanding is that your mate can use one of your guns as long as you are with him. So, if you take 2 shotguns, he can use one, you can use the other as long as you are with him. You cant leave him to do his own thing with the gun.

[scarecrow243 24]

i have had no problem takeing friends shooting with shotguns as long as you are close and ccan keep an eye on your mate, if its more than one person you should not shoot at all

[Simonrees 45]

I think this falls under the estate condition, but the wording isn't as precise as some would like. I think the main argument is who is classed as the occupier, some say it can be any person who has shooting rights, others say it has to be the land owner or even his agent. I don't think anyone has ever been prosecuted for it. Just apply common sense and give them a brief safety lesson first and keep within a reasonable distance.

[tegater 789]

This may make it clearer for you Chris. I think you should be OK

This is a paragraph from the Home Office Guidance.

 

Shot guns

6.14 Section 11(5) of the 1968 Act allows

an individual, without holding a shot gun

certificate, to borrow a shot gun from the

occupier of private premises and use it on

those premises in the occupier’s presence.

The presence of the occupier is normally

taken to mean within sight and earshot of the

individual borrowing the firearm. The term

“occupier” is not defined in the Firearms

Acts, nor has a Court clarified its meaning.

However, the Firearms Consultative

Committee in their 5th Annual report

recommended that the provisions of section

27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981

be adopted. This states that ‘“occupier” in

relation to any land, other than the foreshore,

includes any person having any right of

hunting, shooting, fishing or taking game or

fish’.

 

Hope this helps.

[chris1wg 24]

that does help i know he is well capable and can use a gun safely has he has been shooting for year thanks guys

[peter121 6]

hello mate. why not tell your friend to apply for a shotgun cert. then no probs. regards.