How important is it.................

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Of course its important to socialise a pup, or you end up with something that you cannot take out and about without the fear of it ripping someone elses dog or kid about.

 

But what you have seen is nothing to do with socialisation, its down to the fact (as someone else has stated) that the twat of an owner has given the pup a damn good beating. To beat a dog like that until it pisses itself at the mere touch of someone is f*****g disgraceful and is only done by f*****g retarded morons (and cowards) that dont know what they are doing, and, i think they should have the same treatment done to them until they piss themselves.

Thats bollocks mate I've got a bitch here never had a reason to scold the dog once though when greeting people she pisses.........dogs,puppies especially piss when they're excited just as they do when they're scared.

 

My old lab would get so excited at meeting people that he would pee when he was a pup. He grew out out of it as he got older though. I have also seen dogs that piss themselves from fear and it's easy to tell the difference.

 

 

 

Fear of what???

 

I once took a mongrel off a guy that mistreated it. Every time it did something wrong he would beat the shite out of the poor thing. Every time the dog heard a loud voice it would run to its bed start shaking and piss its self. It's a completely different reaction to a dog that pees from excitement.

[J.DOG 1,355]

Yeah my pup was peeing on everyone and he still does now an then and now he is 8month lol it was funny when people diddnt know he had peed on their shoe classic

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

Of course its important to socialise a pup, or you end up with something that you cannot take out and about without the fear of it ripping someone elses dog or kid about.

 

But what you have seen is nothing to do with socialisation, its down to the fact (as someone else has stated) that the twat of an owner has given the pup a damn good beating. To beat a dog like that until it pisses itself at the mere touch of someone is f*****g disgraceful and is only done by f*****g retarded morons (and cowards) that dont know what they are doing, and, i think they should have the same treatment done to them until they piss themselves.

Thats bollocks mate I've got a bitch here never had a reason to scold the dog once though when greeting people she pisses.........dogs,puppies especially piss when they're excited just as they do when they're scared.

 

My old lab would get so excited at meeting people that he would pee when he was a pup. He grew out out of it as he got older though. I have also seen dogs that piss themselves from fear and it's easy to tell the difference.

 

 

 

Fear of what???

 

I once took a mongrel off a guy that mistreated it. Every time it did something wrong he would beat the shite out of the poor thing. Every time the dog heard a loud voice it would run to its bed start shaking and piss its self. It's a completely different reaction to a dog that pees from excitement.

 

Exactly, the lad who started the thread said that it was a bag of nerves and would piss and cower at being petted. That's a complete different thing to a dog getting excited and lashing piss all over the place. My Patt pup would spray a bit of piss about when I let him out of his run first thing in the morning but that was through excitement because he knew he was going out for a walk. The little prick would be spraying your trouser leg and boots if you didn't watch what you were doing as he jumped up at you lol.

 

As far as your man's dog goes though, If someone had the dog before him then maybe they bashed it? Maybe it got bullied by the other pups in the litter? Although that tends to lead to aggression through fear from what I've seen, and not that sort of nervous cowering.

 

By the sounds of it to me, the dog has copped one to many licks.

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A unsocialised nervous pup would be as scared of its own shadow as much as a beating, so without seeing it really is a tough task to asses the core of the problem. But a dog that is jumping up you pissing doesnt sound like a dog thats scared of you IMO if this was the case it would be pissing whilst backing off even hiding itself:hmm:

 

ATB D

[Bootsha 1,306]

How important is it to socialize a pup???

 

I must admit that it would be top of my agenda to ensure the pup had been well socialized before I would attempt to bring him out in the field. I was in the company of a fella this evening and his pup is seven months old, and a bundle of nerves the poor pup is, a prim example of how not to rear a pup. It urinated every time I petted it and would cower into its box and come back out again, sorry sight.

 

 

Socialising of a pup is vital, essential, call it what you like. Its so easily done at a stage in its life when not much else can really be done other than name, recall and manners. A well socialised pup leads to a happy, sociable,sensible adult (hopefully), or at least it should.Just my opinion.

[John Keswick 119]

Of course its important to socialise a pup, or you end up with something that you cannot take out and about without the fear of it ripping someone elses dog or kid about.

 

But what you have seen is nothing to do with socialisation, its down to the fact (as someone else has stated) that the twat of an owner has given the pup a damn good beating. To beat a dog like that until it pisses itself at the mere touch of someone is f*****g disgraceful and is only done by f*****g retarded morons (and cowards) that dont know what they are doing, and, i think they should have the same treatment done to them until they piss themselves.

Thats bollocks mate I've got a bitch here never had a reason to scold the dog once though when greeting people she pisses.........dogs,puppies especially piss when they're excited just as they do when they're scared.

 

Ive also seen pups that piss themselves through over exitement, but if you read the original post, the fella said the dog is a bag of nerves and cowers when anyone tries to touch it. Dont sound much like exitement to me. My vote would be that the dog has taken a beating, probably more than one.

[gnasher16 31,602]

Of course its important to socialise a pup, or you end up with something that you cannot take out and about without the fear of it ripping someone elses dog or kid about.

 

But what you have seen is nothing to do with socialisation, its down to the fact (as someone else has stated) that the twat of an owner has given the pup a damn good beating. To beat a dog like that until it pisses itself at the mere touch of someone is f*****g disgraceful and is only done by f*****g retarded morons (and cowards) that dont know what they are doing, and, i think they should have the same treatment done to them until they piss themselves.

 

 

Not sure if I entirely agree with you on this one. I know the fella and I don’t think he mistreats his dogs, while on the subject of dogs been mistreated and thus resulting in them pissing when approached by a person as you put it, I have a Springer at present and she is the most pampered little bitch you could ever find, and yet she still wets when greeted by a person, she is full of life and loves the attention, but wets herself, so I am not entirely convinced its down to a beating that this pup received. Just to add that his other two dogs are fine around people.

 

Is it possible that the pup has no social skills at all, which in return results in him reacting in such a manner, would love to hear from a person who can speak with authority on this matter.

 

Many thanks for the replies.

 

 

I agree with this.....all pups have different personalities thats just the laws of nature,some will be more outgoing than others,some will be shy some will be super shy to the point of being nervous even scared.In my experience it doesnt effect their working abilities and infact can be a very rewarding experience trying to bring a nervy dog round and give him confidence.

Most times when we pick a pup from a litter we go for the boldest most confident,yet if you know yourself as an owner you can sometimes get just a little bit more from the shy pup as you will have built up a great bond with that dog and he will actually want to show you more than an overconfident dog who doesnt care if you are around or not.

I always quite enjoyed the challenge of getting inside a dogs head and bringing the best out of him.....a shy timid nervy dog just makes it a bit more of a challenge.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

I agree with this.....all pups have different personalities thats just the laws of nature,some will be more outgoing than others,some will be shy some will be super shy to the point of being nervous even scared.In my experience it doesnt effect their working abilities and infact can be a very rewarding experience trying to bring a nervy dog round and give him confidence.

Most times when we pick a pup from a litter we go for the boldest most confident,yet if you know yourself as an owner you can sometimes get just a little bit more from the shy pup as you will have built up a great bond with that dog and he will actually want to show you more than an overconfident dog who doesnt care if you are around or not.

I always quite enjoyed the challenge of getting inside a dogs head and bringing the best out of him.....a shy timid nervy dog just makes it a bit more of a challenge.

 

I understand what you're saying but it doesn't sound to me like a shy and nervy pup, it's sounds worse than that to me. This dog is in the horrors from the original posters description IMO.

[BULLDOUG 199]

I agree with this.....all pups have different personalities thats just the laws of nature,some will be more outgoing than others,some will be shy some will be super shy to the point of being nervous even scared.In my experience it doesnt effect their working abilities and infact can be a very rewarding experience trying to bring a nervy dog round and give him confidence.

Most times when we pick a pup from a litter we go for the boldest most confident,yet if you know yourself as an owner you can sometimes get just a little bit more from the shy pup as you will have built up a great bond with that dog and he will actually want to show you more than an overconfident dog who doesnt care if you are around or not.

I always quite enjoyed the challenge of getting inside a dogs head and bringing the best out of him.....a shy timid nervy dog just makes it a bit more of a challenge.

 

Man of my own heart, no greater reward than taking a dog forward and sharing a trusting bond, once built never destroyed

[gnasher16 31,602]

I understand what you're saying but it doesn't sound to me like a shy and nervy pup, it's sounds worse than that to me. This dog is in the horrors from the original posters description IMO.

 

 

What im saying is just because the pup is fearful doesnt necessarily mean its had a clump or 2.....a naturally nervy dog wont take a lot to break,could have been pulled about by a boisterous kid,shouted at....even just left alone for a long period....any number of things can set a young dog back who is didgy by nature,fortunately 7 months is young enough to be brought round.

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Of course its important to socialise a pup, or you end up with something that you cannot take out and about without the fear of it ripping someone elses dog or kid about.

 

But what you have seen is nothing to do with socialisation, its down to the fact (as someone else has stated) that the twat of an owner has given the pup a damn good beating. To beat a dog like that until it pisses itself at the mere touch of someone is f*****g disgraceful and is only done by f*****g retarded morons (and cowards) that dont know what they are doing, and, i think they should have the same treatment done to them until they piss themselves.

Thats bollocks mate I've got a bitch here never had a reason to scold the dog once though when greeting people she pisses.........dogs,puppies especially piss when they're excited just as they do when they're scared.

 

Ive also seen pups that piss themselves through over exitement, but if you read the original post, the fella said the dog is a bag of nerves and cowers when anyone tries to touch it. Dont sound much like exitement to me. My vote would be that the dog has taken a beating, probably more than one.

 

 

 

Hi John

 

Not sure if you are reading my replies, the pup was not mistreated, the lads other two dogs are fine, beating is out of the question.

[Casso 1,264]

How important is it to socialize a pup???

 

I must admit that it would be top of my agenda to ensure the pup had been well socialized before I would attempt to bring him out in the field. I was in the company of a fella this evening and his pup is seven months old, and a bundle of nerves the poor pup is, a prim example of how not to rear a pup. It urinated every time I petted it and would cower into its box and come back out again, sorry sight.

 

There is a shy gene that follows some breeds of dog, its fairly rare thankfully, not sure if thats the case here,,

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

I understand what you're saying but it doesn't sound to me like a shy and nervy pup, it's sounds worse than that to me. This dog is in the horrors from the original posters description IMO.

 

 

What im saying is just because the pup is fearful doesnt necessarily mean its had a clump or 2.....a naturally nervy dog wont take a lot to break,could have been pulled about by a boisterous kid,shouted at....even just left alone for a long period....any number of things can set a young dog back who is didgy by nature,fortunately 7 months is young enough to be brought round.

 

Well put .

 

I could well be wrong? But I've not seen anything as bad as what the OP has said in a pup that hasn't been lashed out of it though. I've seen nervy pups and pups/young dogs that react with a aggression through fear, but Not as bad as cowering at being petted and crawling to his bed pissing itself.