Are our laws strong enough

[keeper 51 78]

Our laws are tough enough as it is, it's the implementation of them by soft leftie judges that's the problem, IMO.

 

thanks for the reply

i agree with the judges being to weak even when they are given the power to sentence people to a jail they let them off with a community service order

this would be fine if they did things for the community instead of sitting around in vans drinking tea and going out for breakfast

as i stated in a previous post some time ago there is no point in having a law if you can not or do not enforce it

last point how do you feel about capital punishment i take it from your reply you are against it

[keeper 51 78]

Anonymity/new identities should not be given to any criminals. If your sentence was not enough the general public will make sure it is on your release(nonces/rapists/murderers etc).

 

 

Any immigrant convicted of any crime no matter how menial should face immediate deportation along with the rest of their family. Thats should put an end to the bullshit.

 

There should also be no protection within jails. If you comit a crime you serve your time in a mainstream prison. They are often good at dishing out further justice.

 

Nonces and rapists would soon be begging for the death penalty.

 

Any problems with the above?

 

thanks for your opinion

 

i have no problems with it but i am sure some people might

 

but there you go we all have our own opinions

FTB

[Malt 379]

Our laws are tough enough as it is, it's the implementation of them by soft leftie judges that's the problem, IMO.

 

thanks for the reply

i agree with the judges being to weak even when they are given the power to sentence people to a jail they let them off with a community service order

this would be fine if they did things for the community instead of sitting around in vans drinking tea and going out for breakfast

as i stated in a previous post some time ago there is no point in having a law if you can not or do not enforce it

last point how do you feel about capital punishment i take it from your reply you are against it

 

I'm not against it in cases that could be proved with 100% certainty for certain offences. Child killing & high treason as two examples.

[keeper 51 78]

Our laws are tough enough as it is, it's the implementation of them by soft leftie judges that's the problem, IMO.

 

thanks for the reply

i agree with the judges being to weak even when they are given the power to sentence people to a jail they let them off with a community service order

this would be fine if they did things for the community instead of sitting around in vans drinking tea and going out for breakfast

as i stated in a previous post some time ago there is no point in having a law if you can not or do not enforce it

last point how do you feel about capital punishment i take it from your reply you are against it

 

I'm not against it in cases that could be proved with 100% certainty for certain offences. Child killing & high treason as two examples.

 

Yes i agree with you but as you stated in you first post where back to the fecking weak judges again and how they interpret the guide lines there given

i suppose they have there own opinions as well as us

[smithie 2,444]

should hanging be brought back

 

 

id vote yes for hanging and i would prefer that to giving the injection as its not as humane and would be more of a deterant..

 

 

who would i hang?

 

thats easy.. murderers, all sex offenders and anybody that been given prison 5 year sentences 3 times or more as these people will not to the line.. imsure before hanging they would have to do some jail time to a. suffer and b. most importantly give them time to prove there inocence..

 

i woulb be happy to do the job of Albert Pierrepoint

 

Thanks for the reply

some very interesting points including the three 5 yr jail sentences it would empty a few prison cells

 

 

it would also move some of the undesirable from the gean pool and save our broke goverment some money... win win win

[keeper 51 78]

should hanging be brought back

 

 

id vote yes for hanging and i would prefer that to giving the injection as its not as humane and would be more of a deterant..

 

 

who would i hang?

 

thats easy.. murderers, all sex offenders and anybody that been given prison 5 year sentences 3 times or more as these people will not to the line.. imsure before hanging they would have to do some jail time to a. suffer and b. most importantly give them time to prove there inocence..

 

i woulb be happy to do the job of Albert Pierrepoint

 

works for me :notworthy:

 

Thanks for the reply

some very interesting points including the three 5 yr jail sentences it would empty a few prison cells

 

 

it would also move some of the undesirable from the gean pool and save our broke goverment some money... win win win

[Ideation 8,217]

You guys all for hanging, and the death penalty, you must REALLy have a lot more faith in governments than i have. Cos from where i am standing the death penalty usually does f**k all to deter crimes, but can be used to mop up folk the government does not want. Remember once you have the death penalty, its up to them what they stick it on.

[keeper 51 78]

Rules and law are for f*****g kids, and i'm no kid, i know what is right and wrong to do! law's do not work FACT!! Think about it!

what we need is for us to luck after our own place of residence, we don't need some f*****g copper coming along do we, and what do they get £50 fine and a slap on the hand, then they are back out robbing the same night, far better to go out give them a f*****g good kicking and get them to pay for what ever they done! then if they do it again smash their hand and legs and feet with a hammer,

nonces should be handcuffed to a lamp post in the street and every one who walks passed should be made to hit them!

burglars will be killed in your home or if some one steels your car shoot them while they are driving away!!

 

thanks for the reply ,

we all have our own opinions i can see this working in some places

how about this for a law then

crimes punishable by death, including "being in the company of Gypsies for one month",

[scothunter 12,609]

i cant support the death penalty,as i have no faith in our justice system.to many rotten cops and political interfering.i know its a bit hard for some to agree,especially when it comes to scum who kill and molest kids.but you either have capital punishment or you dont.i couldnt think of a worse case scenario than standing with a rope round your neck knowing your country is killing you for something you didnt do.you only need to look back a few years ago to know this happened.bently craig case.then there was the guy who had the mental age of 12 who was hanged for killing his wife and kid.only to be found out later it was christie.ah and before people say if there is no resonable doubt they should hang,well innocents have ben hanged when a jury thought there was no doubt.also some would argue in todays dna times its hard evidence.agreed but id argue all the more danger of someone setting you up like cops.ive argued this a few times with mates and they alays say aye but those bulger killers should have hanged.well im doubtfull of that aswell.i tend to think that we as a society and responsible adults hold a great deal of responsibility for that.when kids go out and kill kids in such a horrific way,that my friends is a a black mark on our society.and tell the truth could any of you lads have dragged those 2 eleven yer olds from a cell and put a rope round thier necks,i for one couldnt.its very easy to say you would now as they are adults,but could you in all honesty could you have done it.if ever there was a case to reinstate death penalty it lay in the older generation when brady and hyndley did what they did.they didnt and it will never ever be re introduced.

 

Very interesting post and we all have our own personal feelings on the taking of life be it human or animal

just a couple of things i would question how do you feel about the birch being brought back for lesser crimes

like attacks on the weak and vulnerable in our society

and would you expect a life sentence for murder to mean for the rest of their natural life not the 25 yrs or 12.5 if your a good boy like now

 

 

would depend on the actual murder mate.some guy who kills someone else in a street fight,where it was widely accepted that was not the intention,then id say a lesser sentence would be more approriate.(think the family would disagree,ut thats understandable)someone who plans and executes a murder well then yes i would say lock them away for a long time.as for the birch.well no i dont agree with that either.i feel it would be a step back and as one who has condemmed the taliban and other muslim states who beat women and kids and men with sticks and other horrible punishment,then i would be a hypocrite to say i would adopt such beatings in this country.right or wrong i am proud of the fact we are a civillised nation and wouldnt want to see people being birched.i used to get the belt every day at school never done me any harm but the flip side to that coin was it never done me any good either.its a hrd one and one that emotions run high,ut we should never let our emotions cloud our british judgement.people have been breaking laws and cmmiting henious acts since time began.i think imprisoment is the only true punishment and the cost of doing so is well franlky what we have to ut up with living in a free world.

 

 

What about prisons paying for themselves, down near here we have a prison farm, they are made to work the farm, and the money goes into running the prison, including the bit that they cant let folk out of.

 

dont see a prob with that at all.as long as it does not become a greedy money maker.everything goes back into running the jail.wouldnt let molesters or serious killers out,but for the normal run of the mill crimes why not

[keeper 51 78]

You guys all for hanging, and the death penalty, you must REALLy have a lot more faith in governments than i have. Cos from where i am standing the death penalty usually does f**k all to deter crimes, but can be used to mop up folk the government does not want. Remember once you have the death penalty, its up to them what they stick it on.

 

if a person commits murder and is sentenced to death and this carried you can be sure he will not commit this offence again

it would appear that your are in the minority in your feelings about this

and its good that your stance is being put forward in this discussion as i am sure other people feel this way

 

A November 2009 television survey showed that 70% favoured reinstating the death penalty for at least one of the following crimes: armed robbery, rape, crimes related to paedophilia, terrorism, adult murder, child murder, child rape, treason, child abuse, or kidnapping. However, respondents only favoured capital punishment for adult murder, the polling question asked by other organisations such as Gallup, by small majorities or pluralities: overall, 51% favoured the death penalty for adult murder, while 56% in Wales did, 55% in Scotland, and only 49% in England.^[36]

 

^{as you can see this includes child abuse}

 

Edited May 7, 2011 by keeper 51

[scothunter 12,609]

You guys all for hanging, and the death penalty, you must REALLy have a lot more faith in governments than i have. Cos from where i am standing the death penalty usually does f**k all to deter crimes, but can be used to mop up folk the government does not want. Remember once you have the death penalty, its up to them what they stick it on.

 

if a person commits murder and is sentenced to death and this carried you can be sure he will not commit this offence again

it would appear that your are in the minority in your feelings about this

and its good that your stance is being put forward in this discussion as i am sure other people feel this way

 

A November 2009 television survey showed that 70% favoured reinstating the death penalty for at least one of the following crimes: armed robbery, rape, crimes related to paedophilia, terrorism, adult murder, child murder, child rape, treason, child abuse, or kidnapping. However, respondents only favoured capital punishment for adult murder, the polling question asked by other organisations such as Gallup, by small majorities or pluralities: overall, 51% favoured the death penalty for adult murder, while 56% in Wales did, 55% in Scotland, and only 49% in England.^[36]

 

^{as you can see this includes child abuse}

 

 

 

it used to be debated in parliment every 3 years,and everytime it came round less and less voted for it.it will never be brought back in the uk.f**k we wont even extradite a prisoner to another country if they face the death penality.

[keeper 51 78]

 

 

THE BIRCH IS THIS A DETERANT MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND READ BELOW

 

The birched Glasgow youths, all aged 19, are Joseph McKay of Grove-street, William Keenan of Burnside-street, James McKell of Cathay-street, and William Connelly of West Graham-street.

 

They admitted causing bodily harm to a holidaymaker by setting upon him, hitting him with a bottle, and stamping on him after he asked them to stop swearing. The four were also fined a total of £.

 

Only two hours after sentence the birch -- three 3ft. twigs bound into a 14in. long handle at one end and weighing a maximum of 9oz. -- was produced. Brown-haired James McKell said: "I was led away to an upstairs room. Nine people were waiting.

 

 

Cried

 

 

"I was bent face downwards over the back of a chair. I cried with fear. My trousers were pulled down and my shirt pulled up. Two policemen held my arms and a third held my head down. A fourth, a sergeant, used the birch.

 

"The pain was terrible. I kept screaming for my parents. I was in pain for hours."

 

Stocky, pug-nosed William Connelly said: "I thought they were hitting me with red-hot wire.

 

"I just shouted until they had finished."

 

William Keenan said: "It was over quickly. But I'll never do anything that could get me the birch again."

 

Magistrate Radcliffe told me: "This island is a happy place. We want to keep it so that people are safe to walk the streets."

 

Mr Edward Bancroft, president of the Hotel Association, added:

 

"We would rather have fewer holidaymakers than be flooded with Mods and Rockers like Clacton and Margate."

 

 

 

[keeper 51 78]

You guys all for hanging, and the death penalty, you must REALLy have a lot more faith in governments than i have. Cos from where i am standing the death penalty usually does f**k all to deter crimes, but can be used to mop up folk the government does not want. Remember once you have the death penalty, its up to them what they stick it on.

 

if a person commits murder and is sentenced to death and this carried you can be sure he will not commit this offence again

it would appear that your are in the minority in your feelings about this

and its good that your stance is being put forward in this discussion as i am sure other people feel this way

 

A November 2009 television survey showed that 70% favoured reinstating the death penalty for at least one of the following crimes: armed robbery, rape, crimes related to paedophilia, terrorism, adult murder, child murder, child rape, treason, child abuse, or kidnapping. However, respondents only favoured capital punishment for adult murder, the polling question asked by other organisations such as Gallup, by small majorities or pluralities: overall, 51% favoured the death penalty for adult murder, while 56% in Wales did, 55% in Scotland, and only 49% in England.^[36]

 

^{as you can see this includes child abuse}

 

 

 

it used to be debated in parliment every 3 years,and everytime it came round less and less voted for it.it will never be brought back in the uk.f**k we wont even extradite a prisoner to another country if they face the death penality.

 

remember that we cannot change these while governed by those :wankerzo4: :wankerzo4: :wankerzo4: across the water with the courts of human rights

[Catcher 1 639]

British justis system.Best in the World .You have to make something up if at one time you stole a third of it through tyranny.

[keeper 51 78]

Only one i will comment on, as i work in a school, with the group of children there who would be getting the cane. It wouldnt work and would be a bad idea.

nice to see a reply with an opinion i would be interested in the way you feel they should be treated and how you would go about giving them discipline

mike

 

as a person who works with problem children i am still waiting for your response on how you feel we could bring these children back into the fold

what form of discipline can or do you give when as you said you have been threatened your self

and even to the point that some when confronted would stab you and think nothing of it as that's the way they were brought up

we have no choice to accept that some of these children have been both physically and mentally abused