ol26 2 Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 After a bit of advice or if anyone else has experienced similar.. my saluki whippet is coming up to about 3 now, shes always been very quite on the lead and has always run with other dogs off the lead.. over the last 6 months or so she has been slowly getting rougher when shes off with other dogs, our other dog 10 month saluki, mates lurcher and other dogs she knows and doesnt know - reactions always the same. all starts off fine - running chasing etc.. then she gets her hunting face on, drops back and runs the dog down, often bowling it over by a good strike on the collar or back - then she'll pin the dog of if it gets up, runs it down again. She does it to small dogs, bigger dogs and if a dog snaps back she runs off then takes it out again then runns off again.. luckily she hasnt been hurt yet. not good.. she took a chunck out of out pup and since then have been trying all sorts to calm her down. shes been on the lead more, muzzled running - but that seems to make her rougher, a water pistols worked quite well - but got to be near enough to get her.. tricky times i cant work out why shes suddenly changed - any thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,393 Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 At 3 mate shock collar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Striker11 13 Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Guessing you might have had it on it's first thing that bites back or larger quarry recently prior to this behaviour and thats brought it on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ol26 2 Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 got collars, but reluctant to use on agression - good back up for reinforcing recall, a little tap on the shoulder. only had to use it a couple of times - lot of open fields, roads and long ears near us.. can be a bad mix! - larger quarry.. well ragged a couple of just shot when we've been out lamping - sure nothings bitten back though.. but she was well fired up, put her off rabbits for about 10 mins - she'd been wound up by next doors dog coming to our back door, then got hold of it a few weeks back - could be a bit of a combination of things.. any idea bout sorting it or just got be careful with dogs and make the most of it in the field...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Striker11 13 Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 My dog in the avatar was aggressive towards Other dogs after being attacked by a big black lab on a walk roun our local estate, it just flew out of the house and pounced on him when he was on the lead. From this point he wanted to fight with every dog he seen for months, especially big black dogs! I eventually got him over it an got him to stop te aggression through regularly taking him down the beach and letting him socialise with all the non violent house dogs that are taken down there,spaniels, poodles, pointers etc To re build his trust in other dogs. He doesn't bother at all with any dogs now...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,256 Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 After a bit of advice or if anyone else has experienced similar.. my saluki whippet is coming up to about 3 now, shes always been very quite on the lead and has always run with other dogs off the lead.. over the last 6 months or so she has been slowly getting rougher when shes off with other dogs, our other dog 10 month saluki, mates lurcher and other dogs she knows and doesnt know - reactions always the same. all starts off fine - running chasing etc.. then she gets her hunting face on, drops back and runs the dog down, often bowling it over by a good strike on the collar or back - then she'll pin the dog of if it gets up, runs it down again. She does it to small dogs, bigger dogs and if a dog snaps back she runs off then takes it out again then runns off again.. luckily she hasnt been hurt yet. not good.. she took a chunck out of out pup and since then have been trying all sorts to calm her down. shes been on the lead more, muzzled running - but that seems to make her rougher, a water pistols worked quite well - but got to be near enough to get her.. tricky times i cant work out why shes suddenly changed - any thoughts? It might seem a round about way but its probably got something to do with the new dog, if it started shortly after the pup arrived i would think its almost certain, look at your routine , is there less time spent with the older bitch now, she is expressing behavior that has developed in her envoirment, You may have put her in her place for roughing up the pup at some stage, a behavior she has repressed until she feels free enough to express herself in the right envoirment , but just not against the pup because she knows better,,she seems to be storing a lot of stress thats been built up at home,,the answer is probably closer to home than you think bud,,best of luck with her,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,256 Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Sorry ive just read that she roughs up the pup as well out, i still think shes stressed in her envoirment at present, and her actions are a release of stress in the her system, i could never figure out why terriers who could be kenneled together on a daily basis, could suddenly want to kill each other when tied up at a dig, the sights and sounds of the dig and because they cant get at quarry yet ,builds stress which in turn , turns to drive, the release of drive in terriers is mostly orally ,barking biting , pulling , tearing, its how they ground themselves, they cant control it, and when levels drop again they're back to normal , the dog just expresses in actions physically , what it is feeling on the inside,,hope that helps bud,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ol26 2 Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 cheers for the replies guys. does help and i think makes sence. am moving to a bigger house with a good secured garden on sat whcih will help - it has definately started with being in the house we are in at the moment, over the last 6 month. we have made some progress over the last month or so but think there is a long way to go yet. she ran last night with a big deer x grey and was a bit better though still knocked it over... it snapped back and she backed off a bit when i told her.. checked with the owner before i let them run. the pups my g/fs and i make sure that i still spend a lot of time with my bitch though the pup does try it on in the house and its not till they are out that my dog sorts him out. so yeah - combination of things.. hopefully will get there! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,172 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Sorry ive just read that she roughs up the pup as well out, i still think shes stressed in her envoirment at present, and her actions are a release of stress in the her system, i could never figure out why terriers who could be kenneled together on a daily basis, could suddenly want to kill each other when tied up at a dig, the sights and sounds of the dig and because they cant get at quarry yet ,builds stress which in turn , turns to drive, the release of drive in terriers is mostly orally ,barking biting , pulling , tearing, its how they ground themselves, they cant control it, and when levels drop again they're back to normal , the dog just expresses in actions physically , what it is feeling on the inside,,hope that helps bud,, Very good answer Also,don't forget that a dog which has been bred to kill stuff, if not killing stuff on a regular basis, has that unburned energy and prey drive just bubbling away under the surface. I've always noticed how mine tend to get a bit edgy during the spring, still very fit, but not hunting and catching as they would in the winter months. It takes a while for them to unwind and settle down. There are also certain dogs who I never let run with other dogs; if the others are having a mad play around, those dogs stay on the lead. They are allowed to run on their own to burn off some energy, but never with other dogs. Some just can't be trusted to play nicely! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ossie n Arch 1,682 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I have the same problem with Ossie and "some" other dogs. Black Labs especially. He runs up to them and if he can he'll nip them from behind on their hind quarters. He's better then he first was, but i still put him on a lead when/if i see another dog up ahead. One thing that does help Ossie is going to shows and places where there are lots of other dogs, he's on the lead all the time and can't chase the other dogs. He doesn't seem to pay them much attention then, probably because there are too many of them for him to home in on just one and is as nice as pie. Maybe a bit of dog overload might help. ATB, Arch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,256 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) Sorry ive just read that she roughs up the pup as well out, i still think shes stressed in her envoirment at present, and her actions are a release of stress in the her system, i could never figure out why terriers who could be kenneled together on a daily basis, could suddenly want to kill each other when tied up at a dig, the sights and sounds of the dig and because they cant get at quarry yet ,builds stress which in turn , turns to drive, the release of drive in terriers is mostly orally ,barking biting , pulling , tearing, its how they ground themselves, they cant control it, and when levels drop again they're back to normal , the dog just expresses in actions physically , what it is feeling on the inside,,hope that helps bud,, Very good answer Also,don't forget that a dog which has been bred to kill stuff, if not killing stuff on a regular basis, has that unburned energy and prey drive just bubbling away under the surface. I've always noticed how mine tend to get a bit edgy during the spring, still very fit, but not hunting and catching as they would in the winter months. It takes a while for them to unwind and settle down. There are also certain dogs who I never let run with other dogs; if the others are having a mad play around, those dogs stay on the lead. They are allowed to run on their own to burn off some energy, but never with other dogs. Some just can't be trusted to play nicely! correct my friend, the burden of drive ,plays heavily on some mutts more than others, but all need that release before it bubbles out into some completely unwanted behavior , which is usually where the mutt will find themselves in deep shit with their owner,,,drive can also take many forms, from digging to the dog on the country road who finds release by hunting down every car that passes his gate, ,ive said this a few times now on this site,unwanted behavior stems in the main from a dog finding release from his urge to relieve himself from the build up of drive in their systems,,its like a battery that get topped up daily through a dogs normal interactions with the world around him , stressful situations , build it quicker,, When a person understands this, all behavior can be understood, a dog in drive is completly free from stress, he feels great , and anything associated with that the release and draining of that battery will be highly regarded by the mutt, In running dogs it comes in the form of quarry, bunnies , etc running, biting and sinking their teeth into something releases their burden, and as you correctly point out in the off season that situation is not available ,, But if you can focus that drive on yourself from an early age the pup will see you as an outlet, through, fetch (chasing) tugging (sinking their teeth) drive can be depleted on a daily basis,Their is no secret in having a well mannered mutt, work your dog in drive , drain that battery and the mutt will be quiet contented with life also will look at you when you call him the same way he stares down the beam looking for that bunny,, Edited May 5, 2011 by Casso 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ol26 2 Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 good comments and i appreciate it. i think you have hit the nail on the head.. its definatley a relase of energy sparked by the instinct to hunt. ive been upping the amount of play she gets with dummies and skins which is also helping and have had some success over the last month or so - i think im always going to have to be careful with her though. think i might build her a coursing machine for the summer - that should help forefill some of her need in the off season months. ALB Oli Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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