we was brung up proper ( OLDIES )

[keeper 51 78]

This should be printed an given to all new parents as guide lines, Maybe they would stop and see how as parents it is not necessary to rap your kids up in cotton wool, let them live as kids should, not as they do nowadays i.e got to have the best of everything and talk all that P.C bullsh*t.

 

In my opinion, one of the biggest problems we got is parents not giving a shit what their kids are doing and letting them do what they like. No respect and no thought of consequences.

 

well it appears we will have to agree to disagree

i feel that the kids of to day use every excuse for there wrong doings knowing that the nanny state will protect them

 

instead of manning up and excepting the consequences of there wrong doings like

a good slap from there parents but no ( if you hit me i will tell the police and you will be locked up ha,ha so there )

or if the police were to slap you ( i will tell my mummy and daddy ) and they will take you to court and you will loose your job ha,ha )

if your teacher was to keep you in after school or give you a slap ( i will tell my mummy and daddy and they will tell the police and you will loose your job ha,ha

if you can't take the punishment don't do the crime

 

however i would agree that some parents don't give a shit what there kid's are up to

perhaps you could enlighten us on what you feel in your opinion could be done to help

mike

[Ideation 8,216]

This should be printed an given to all new parents as guide lines, Maybe they would stop and see how as parents it is not necessary to rap your kids up in cotton wool, let them live as kids should, not as they do nowadays i.e got to have the best of everything and talk all that P.C bullsh*t.

 

In my opinion, one of the biggest problems we got is parents not giving a shit what their kids are doing and letting them do what they like. No respect and no thought of consequences.

 

well it appears we will have to agree to disagree

i feel that the kids of to day use every excuse for there wrong doings knowing that the nanny state will protect them

 

instead of manning up and excepting the consequences of there wrong doings like

a good slap from there parents but no ( if you hit me i will tell the police and you will be locked up ha,ha so there )

or if the police were to slap you ( i will tell my mummy and daddy ) and they will take you to court and you will loose your job ha,ha )

if your teacher was to keep you in after school or give you a slap ( i will tell my mummy and daddy and they will tell the police and you will loose your job ha,ha

if you can't take the punishment don't do the crime

 

however i would agree that some parents don't give a shit what there kid's are up to

perhaps you could enlighten us on what you feel in your opinion could be done to help

mike

 

 

Fair play mate.

 

Most of the kids i see about where i work are nothing like that.

 

Mum, dad, step dad and every other f****r belts them.

 

They are taught that to get your way or make your point you use force, and that whoever is 'harder' is right (one said that to me).

 

Most of them would never in a million years go to the police, and niether would their parents.

 

And if the police slap them they just accept it and then dream of stabbing the cop.

 

The teachers have real difficulty keeping them behind as they just get told to 'go f**k yourself you stupid f*****g slag' and the kid storms out.

 

If the teacher tried to slap the kid, the kid would beat f**k out of or stab the teacher.

 

If the school tries to ring the parents they get the phone put down on them, or are told that they are some how picking on the kid and out of order.

 

The kids don't care about the punishment, they just see it as part of life.

 

As for the 'nanny state' protecting them, well maybe in my job i an that 'nanny state' but i spend more of my time trying to stop the state f*****g them, or trying to brush them under the carpet and ignore them, the state doesn't nanny them, no one does. they are becoming feral kids. No joke.

 

These particular kids are scary and so maybe my view is warped.

 

f**k knows what i would do with the problem, but i will tell you this, most of it comes from the parents, who got it from their parents, who got it from theirs.

 

And the reason that shit has been handed down, is as you say, because our society is rotten in many places and priorities are all wrong.

 

We need a major societal restructure, how? Who knows?

 

I think a lot of this has to do with what kind of kids you see, my mum teaches in a nice primary school in a 'nice' middle class area, and what you are saying is spot on for there.

 

But for where i work, it's like f*****g baghdad mate.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

And who put that original piece together? Some miserable old f*cker by the sounds of it. There is some truth too it and some of the laws in place today are pathetic, Just yesterday I was in the Bookies and told the woman to sort the light out in the toilets, she told me that the bulb needs changing and that they can't do nothing because of health and safety and that they need an Electrician to come in to change it I couldn't believe what I was hearing, I told her to get a grip that I'd change it and save everyone the bloody hassle but she said she couldn't allow me to do it.

 

Things like that are ridiculous but I think there are too many people looking back with rose tinted glasses.

[keeper 51 78]

This should be printed an given to all new parents as guide lines, Maybe they would stop and see how as parents it is not necessary to rap your kids up in cotton wool, let them live as kids should, not as they do nowadays i.e got to have the best of everything and talk all that P.C bullsh*t.

 

In my opinion, one of the biggest problems we got is parents not giving a shit what their kids are doing and letting them do what they like. No respect and no thought of consequences.

 

well it appears we will have to agree to disagree

i feel that the kids of to day use every excuse for there wrong doings knowing that the nanny state will protect them

 

instead of manning up and excepting the consequences of there wrong doings like

a good slap from there parents but no ( if you hit me i will tell the police and you will be locked up ha,ha so there )

or if the police were to slap you ( i will tell my mummy and daddy ) and they will take you to court and you will loose your job ha,ha )

if your teacher was to keep you in after school or give you a slap ( i will tell my mummy and daddy and they will tell the police and you will loose your job ha,ha

if you can't take the punishment don't do the crime

 

however i would agree that some parents don't give a shit what there kid's are up to

perhaps you could enlighten us on what you feel in your opinion could be done to help

mike

 

 

Fair play mate.

 

Most of the kids i see about where i work are nothing like that.

 

Mum, dad, step dad and every other f****r belts them.

 

They are taught that to get your way or make your point you use force, and that whoever is 'harder' is right (one said that to me).

 

Most of them would never in a million years go to the police, and niether would their parents.

 

And if the police slap them they just accept it and then dream of stabbing the cop.

 

The teachers have real difficulty keeping them behind as they just get told to 'go f**k yourself you stupid f*****g slag' and the kid storms out.

 

If the teacher tried to slap the kid, the kid would beat f**k out of or stab the teacher.

 

If the school tries to ring the parents they get the phone put down on them, or are told that they are some how picking on the kid and out of order.

 

The kids don't care about the punishment, they just see it as part of life.

 

As for the 'nanny state' protecting them, well maybe in my job i an that 'nanny state' but i spend more of my time trying to stop the state f*****g them, or trying to brush them under the carpet and ignore them, the state doesn't nanny them, no one does. they are becoming feral kids. No joke.

 

These particular kids are scary and so maybe my view is warped.

 

f**k knows what i would do with the problem, but i will tell you this, most of it comes from the parents, who got it from their parents, who got it from theirs.

 

And the reason that shit has been handed down, is as you say, because our society is rotten in many places and priorities are all wrong.

 

We need a major societal restructure, how? Who knows?

 

I think a lot of this has to do with what kind of kids you see, my mum teaches in a nice primary school in a 'nice' middle class area, and what you are saying is spot on for there.

 

But for where i work, it's like f*****g baghdad mate.

 

 

Very well put mate exelent reply

 

I can see why you got a little up tight and wish you well in the stressful job your involved in helping these kids

 

its the system that has allowed this to happen :censored:

 

i except what you say about the parents but you have to admit the system has also let them down as well

 

as now nobody is allowed to discipline any youngster

 

be it yourself , school, parents or the police

 

and all of us should hang our heads in shame for letting this happen to them :realmad: and parents should be held responsible for there children's actions

 

but i am still of the opinion this was and is caused by the nanny state as in i believe that respect comes from both love of your child and discipline when required

 

that is not meant to include either mental or physical brutality

 

best of luck in your job and by the look of it you will have a long career ahead of you

 

mike

[poacher3161 1,766]

These were the days lol.

[scothunter 12,609]

On a parent view i reckon that the olden days were very much safer for kids.think some of the youth today expect things to be handed to them on a plate.not all i might add.when we were kids we knew the value of money and if your mum bought you a new jumper from marks and spencer to go to school you thought you were a millionaire lolnow a days (and i used to bad for it) designer clothing jackets that cost 500quid and 300 mobile phones.

[keeper 51 78]

And who put that original piece together? Some miserable old f*cker by the sounds of it. There is some truth too it and some of the laws in place today are pathetic, Just yesterday I was in the Bookies and told the woman to sort the light out in the toilets, she told me that the bulb needs changing and that they can't do nothing because of health and safety and that they need an Electrician to come in to change it I couldn't believe what I was hearing, I told her to get a grip that I'd change it and save everyone the bloody hassle but she said she couldn't allow me to do it.

 

Things like that are ridiculous but I think there are too many people looking back with rose tinted glasses.

 

 

I posted this it came in by email

 

as for being an old fecker your right i am but sad i'm not

 

only when i read posts like yours it amazes me that you feel the need to make silly comments about other peoples posts

 

i ll tell you what lets change the thread so as to include your important revelation about the bulb in the toilet and your abilities on changing it

 

why don't you go and try to poach someone else's thread perhaps they would like to know about your light bulb

Edited April 30, 2011 by keeper 51

[paulus 26]

i was a 60`s child and your spot on it was like you described, but now its different i would not like to grow up as a child in todays world, envioronment plays a large factor on how kids behave. child see,child do. so they go out on there bikes whot they see? drug dealers, gangs, violence, disrespect and then this is compounded by pier pressure when there at school or with friends.

i believe that most of todays problems are caused by the cheapness and availability of drugs, drugs and the associated problems, gangs,violence,intimerdation,fear,theft etc, completly destroys communitys and fractured communties will leed to fractured kids

[scothunter 12,609]

And who put that original piece together? Some miserable old f*cker by the sounds of it. There is some truth too it and some of the laws in place today are pathetic, Just yesterday I was in the Bookies and told the woman to sort the light out in the toilets, she told me that the bulb needs changing and that they can't do nothing because of health and safety and that they need an Electrician to come in to change it I couldn't believe what I was hearing, I told her to get a grip that I'd change it and save everyone the bloody hassle but she said she couldn't allow me to do it.

 

Things like that are ridiculous but I think there are too many people looking back with rose tinted glasses.

 

 

I posted this it came in by email

 

as for being an old fecker your right i am but sad i'm not

 

only when i read posts like yours it amazes me that you feel the need to make silly comments about other peoples posts

 

i ll tell you what lets change the thread so as to include your important revelation about the bulb in the toilet and your abilities on changing it

 

why don't you go and try to poach someone else's thread perhaps they would like to know about your light bulb

 

someone piss in your corn flakes this morning

[keeper 51 78]

not sure mate the bulb had gone out perhaps you could help

[Ideation 8,216]

This should be printed an given to all new parents as guide lines, Maybe they would stop and see how as parents it is not necessary to rap your kids up in cotton wool, let them live as kids should, not as they do nowadays i.e got to have the best of everything and talk all that P.C bullsh*t.

 

In my opinion, one of the biggest problems we got is parents not giving a shit what their kids are doing and letting them do what they like. No respect and no thought of consequences.

 

well it appears we will have to agree to disagree

i feel that the kids of to day use every excuse for there wrong doings knowing that the nanny state will protect them

 

instead of manning up and excepting the consequences of there wrong doings like

a good slap from there parents but no ( if you hit me i will tell the police and you will be locked up ha,ha so there )

or if the police were to slap you ( i will tell my mummy and daddy ) and they will take you to court and you will loose your job ha,ha )

if your teacher was to keep you in after school or give you a slap ( i will tell my mummy and daddy and they will tell the police and you will loose your job ha,ha

if you can't take the punishment don't do the crime

 

however i would agree that some parents don't give a shit what there kid's are up to

perhaps you could enlighten us on what you feel in your opinion could be done to help

mike

 

 

Fair play mate.

 

Most of the kids i see about where i work are nothing like that.

 

Mum, dad, step dad and every other f****r belts them.

 

They are taught that to get your way or make your point you use force, and that whoever is 'harder' is right (one said that to me).

 

Most of them would never in a million years go to the police, and niether would their parents.

 

And if the police slap them they just accept it and then dream of stabbing the cop.

 

The teachers have real difficulty keeping them behind as they just get told to 'go f**k yourself you stupid f*****g slag' and the kid storms out.

 

If the teacher tried to slap the kid, the kid would beat f**k out of or stab the teacher.

 

If the school tries to ring the parents they get the phone put down on them, or are told that they are some how picking on the kid and out of order.

 

The kids don't care about the punishment, they just see it as part of life.

 

As for the 'nanny state' protecting them, well maybe in my job i an that 'nanny state' but i spend more of my time trying to stop the state f*****g them, or trying to brush them under the carpet and ignore them, the state doesn't nanny them, no one does. they are becoming feral kids. No joke.

 

These particular kids are scary and so maybe my view is warped.

 

f**k knows what i would do with the problem, but i will tell you this, most of it comes from the parents, who got it from their parents, who got it from theirs.

 

And the reason that shit has been handed down, is as you say, because our society is rotten in many places and priorities are all wrong.

 

We need a major societal restructure, how? Who knows?

 

I think a lot of this has to do with what kind of kids you see, my mum teaches in a nice primary school in a 'nice' middle class area, and what you are saying is spot on for there.

 

But for where i work, it's like f*****g baghdad mate.

 

 

Very well put mate exelent reply

 

I can see why you got a little up tight and wish you well in the stressful job your involved in helping these kids

 

its the system that has allowed this to happen :censored:

 

i except what you say about the parents but you have to admit the system has also let them down as well

 

as now nobody is allowed to discipline any youngster

 

be it yourself , school, parents or the police

 

and all of us should hang our heads in shame for letting this happen to them :realmad: and parents should be held responsible for there children's actions

 

but i am still of the opinion this was and is caused by the nanny state as in i believe that respect comes from both love of your child and discipline when required

 

that is not meant to include either mental or physical brutality

 

best of luck in your job and by the look of it you will have a long career ahead of you

 

mike

 

 

I think your right in what you say about many generations of folk the state has failed etc.

 

But when it comes to no one disciplining them, unfortunately i see kids getting 'disciplined', be it beaten, burnt with fags, made to take drugs, locked in cupboards, intimidated, belittled, starved, the list goes on. The f****d up thing is that they are getting disciplined for stuff they shouldn't be and not for stuff they should, and when this discipline comes, it comes with no explanation, so all it breeds is a kid that understands violence and not much else.

 

Other funny thing i notice, is, unless the kid is being raped or beaten in the most obvious manner, the powers that be will talk about intervention plenty, about 'nannying' them, but all that equates to is one meeting in maybe 3 months, where they ask a couple of questions then leave.

 

Maybe wack the kid on drugs to stop him moaning about it.

 

I think a lot of it comes from the fact that folk 'just have' kids without much thought to it, and what they are going to do with them / how they are going to raise them.

 

I think a case of either old or new is not going to work, i think lessons can be learnt from both, and horrors as well.

 

 

Scothunter - i'm not sure if kids were safer then, just thinking about all the institutions where kids were abused etc etc and no one knew, or cared. It's a sick world now, but certainly in things like my job, at least some one trys to make sure i'm not a kiddie fiddler.

 

But when it comes to the value of money - your 100% spot on! Kids with parents on benefits, always moaning about the posh c**ts, etc etc, but with an i-phone, x-box, bmx and new trainers.

 

Of course they might all have been got 'free' with the old five finger discount.

 

Work hard, try hard in school, be honest, be nice etc. . .. . well in that place all that gets you is bullied.

 

Be violent, steal, beat folk up, be a bully, you get respect, riches, and advancement in life.

 

They look at their parents and thats what they see.

[poacher3161 1,766]

i was a 60`s child and your spot on it was like you described, but now its different i would not like to grow up as a child in todays world, envioronment plays a large factor on how kids behave. child see,child do. so they go out on there bikes whot they see? drug dealers, gangs, violence, disrespect and then this is compounded by pier pressure when there at school or with friends.

i believe that most of todays problems are caused by the cheapness and availability of drugs, drugs and the associated problems, gangs,violence,intimerdation,fear,theft etc, completly destroys communitys and fractured communties will leed to fractured kids

Bang on paulus.Though imho the rot started in the 80s with the well known destroyer of working class comunitys thatcher.

[miller 18]

Ignore them Keeper51, We might be old to some of the others on here but were not daft.

[scothunter 12,609]

i was a 60`s child and your spot on it was like you described, but now its different i would not like to grow up as a child in todays world, envioronment plays a large factor on how kids behave. child see,child do. so they go out on there bikes whot they see? drug dealers, gangs, violence, disrespect and then this is compounded by pier pressure when there at school or with friends.

i believe that most of todays problems are caused by the cheapness and availability of drugs, drugs and the associated problems, gangs,violence,intimerdation,fear,theft etc, completly destroys communitys and fractured communties will leed to fractured kids

Bang on paulus.Though imho the rot started in the 80s with the well known destroyer of working class comunitys thatcher.

 

heard she couldnt make the wedding cause she was to ill.heres hoping it wont be long now.ill dance a f*****g jig the day they put that wicked old b*****d in the ground.

[Little Butch 16]

I'm a 90's kid and can hapilly say I experienced the go cart building, bike riding, camping, fishing and that lot aswell! Best times of my life!

Butch