Obedience of lurchers??

[Ideation 8,217]

Not wanting to get into an argument .Basically my pups/dogs can run,jump, chase,swim and piss about as much as they like and enjoy things .However I`m in charge when the hunt is on and it`s as simple as that.Some pups that i have had have went to friends and they were delighted with the pups ,but ? i DO not think i expect 2 much from a well trained dog.

 

Which is all well and good, but how do you ACTUALLY train this? If i took your dogs, beat a hare past them, slipped them and after 10/20 yards when they were right on it, you could call 'YAK' and they would about turn and trot back? It's not an argument, it's a conversation.

[jimmy100 48]

the most important command of all is "wesit" :laugh: its ok teaching them set commands but you tend to find in the heat of the moment they are the last things you actually say id teach it "oi" "ere" "get off it" "you f*****g thing" "get over" "get on lad" etc lol dogs pick up on everything you say and your teaching it things without even knowing most of the time :thumbs:

 

Aye 'Whereishe' , 'Ishein', 'Getonimlad', 'ksssssst', 'Goneaway', 'Getere', 'Shudup'

dont forget "wassupi" :laugh:

 

an of course . . . 'Fuckingittlebastardleaveit', 'Oinegro' and 'Runboyrunthekeeperscoming'

:laugh:

[Ideation 8,217]

the most important command of all is "wesit" :laugh: its ok teaching them set commands but you tend to find in the heat of the moment they are the last things you actually say id teach it "oi" "ere" "get off it" "you f*****g thing" "get over" "get on lad" etc lol dogs pick up on everything you say and your teaching it things without even knowing most of the time :thumbs:

 

Aye 'Whereishe' , 'Ishein', 'Getonimlad', 'ksssssst', 'Goneaway', 'Getere', 'Shudup'

dont forget "wassupi" :laugh:

 

an of course . . . 'Fuckingittlebastardleaveit', 'Oinegro' and 'Runboyrunthekeeperscoming'

:laugh:

 

. . . . it's not racist, there are a few members on here that can testify that he's one of the blackest dogs around. He's a regular badnwhoyjunglist, got an uzi and everything

[jimmy100 48]

the most important command of all is "wesit" :laugh: its ok teaching them set commands but you tend to find in the heat of the moment they are the last things you actually say id teach it "oi" "ere" "get off it" "you f*****g thing" "get over" "get on lad" etc lol dogs pick up on everything you say and your teaching it things without even knowing most of the time :thumbs:

 

Aye 'Whereishe' , 'Ishein', 'Getonimlad', 'ksssssst', 'Goneaway', 'Getere', 'Shudup'

dont forget "wassupi" :laugh:

 

an of course . . . 'Fuckingittlebastardleaveit', 'Oinegro' and 'Runboyrunthekeeperscoming'

:laugh:

 

. . . . it's not racist, there are a few members on here that can testify that he's one of the blackest dogs around. He's a regular badnwhoyjunglist, got an uzi and everything

lab-tastic told me once you go black you never go back :laugh:

[bird 10,014]

How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks!

can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times.

 

At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog

 

 

spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in

Tod +Bryn

 

 

[Ideation 8,217]

the most important command of all is "wesit" :laugh: its ok teaching them set commands but you tend to find in the heat of the moment they are the last things you actually say id teach it "oi" "ere" "get off it" "you f*****g thing" "get over" "get on lad" etc lol dogs pick up on everything you say and your teaching it things without even knowing most of the time :thumbs:

 

Aye 'Whereishe' , 'Ishein', 'Getonimlad', 'ksssssst', 'Goneaway', 'Getere', 'Shudup'

dont forget "wassupi" :laugh:

 

an of course . . . 'Fuckingittlebastardleaveit', 'Oinegro' and 'Runboyrunthekeeperscoming'

:laugh:

 

. . . . it's not racist, there are a few members on here that can testify that he's one of the blackest dogs around. He's a regular badnwhoyjunglist, got an uzi and everything

lab-tastic told me once you go black you never go back :laugh:

 

Aye mate, it's the truth, and lab should know Only downside is he keeps pawning the t.v for crack. . . . the dog that is, not lab.

[BIG ZOOK 5]

Not wanting to get into an argument .Basically my pups/dogs can run,jump, chase,swim and piss about as much as they like and enjoy things .However I`m in charge when the hunt is on and it`s as simple as that.Some pups that i have had have went to friends and they were delighted with the pups ,but ? i DO not think i expect 2 much from a well trained dog.

 

Which is all well and good, but how do you ACTUALLY train this? If i took your dogs, beat a hare past them, slipped them and after 10/20 yards when they were right on it, you could call 'YAK' and they would about turn and trot back? It's not an argument, it's a conversation.

From very young pup after all the retrieving games are finished,start throwing the dummy long distances,then call the pup back halfway through.Gradually shorten the didtance to less than 20 yds.Now try it with a second person,standing 100 yds from you send the pup and recall after 50yds,then shorten the distance to 50 yds and leave it at that for a few weeks. Now get your partner to run like fook from 100yds away and let the dog follow,now introduce the command and shorten the distance before issuing the STOP command.As i say over the top 4 many people ,but i require it of my dogs.

[Ideation 8,217]

Not wanting to get into an argument .Basically my pups/dogs can run,jump, chase,swim and piss about as much as they like and enjoy things .However I`m in charge when the hunt is on and it`s as simple as that.Some pups that i have had have went to friends and they were delighted with the pups ,but ? i DO not think i expect 2 much from a well trained dog.

 

Which is all well and good, but how do you ACTUALLY train this? If i took your dogs, beat a hare past them, slipped them and after 10/20 yards when they were right on it, you could call 'YAK' and they would about turn and trot back? It's not an argument, it's a conversation.

From very young pup after all the retrieving games are finished,start throwing the dummy long distances,then call the pup back halfway through.Gradually shorten the didtance to less than 20 yds.Now try it with a second person,standing 100 yds from you send the pup and recall after 50yds,then shorten the distance to 50 yds and leave it at that for a few weeks. Now get your partner to run like fook from 100yds away and let the dog follow,now introduce the command and shorten the distance before issuing the STOP command.As i say over the top 4 many people ,but i require it of my dogs.

 

 

The shitter is that my dogs bright enough to know the difference between a dummy, a person, and quarry.

[BIG ZOOK 5]

How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks!

can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times.

 

At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog

 

 

spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in

Tod +Bryn

 

 

Impressed but i can see what they are thinking .

[BIG ZOOK 5]

Not wanting to get into an argument .Basically my pups/dogs can run,jump, chase,swim and piss about as much as they like and enjoy things .However I`m in charge when the hunt is on and it`s as simple as that.Some pups that i have had have went to friends and they were delighted with the pups ,but ? i DO not think i expect 2 much from a well trained dog.

 

Which is all well and good, but how do you ACTUALLY train this? If i took your dogs, beat a hare past them, slipped them and after 10/20 yards when they were right on it, you could call 'YAK' and they would about turn and trot back? It's not an argument, it's a conversation.

From very young pup after all the retrieving games are finished,start throwing the dummy long distances,then call the pup back halfway through.Gradually shorten the didtance to less than 20 yds.Now try it with a second person,standing 100 yds from you send the pup and recall after 50yds,then shorten the distance to 50 yds and leave it at that for a few weeks. Now get your partner to run like fook from 100yds away and let the dog follow,now introduce the command and shorten the distance before issuing the STOP command.As i say over the top 4 many people ,but i require it of my dogs.

 

 

The shitter is that my dogs bright enough to know the difference between a dummy, a person, and quarry.

Guess its not,bright enough to respond to a command though.

[Ideation 8,217]

Not wanting to get into an argument .Basically my pups/dogs can run,jump, chase,swim and piss about as much as they like and enjoy things .However I`m in charge when the hunt is on and it`s as simple as that.Some pups that i have had have went to friends and they were delighted with the pups ,but ? i DO not think i expect 2 much from a well trained dog.

 

Which is all well and good, but how do you ACTUALLY train this? If i took your dogs, beat a hare past them, slipped them and after 10/20 yards when they were right on it, you could call 'YAK' and they would about turn and trot back? It's not an argument, it's a conversation.

From very young pup after all the retrieving games are finished,start throwing the dummy long distances,then call the pup back halfway through.Gradually shorten the didtance to less than 20 yds.Now try it with a second person,standing 100 yds from you send the pup and recall after 50yds,then shorten the distance to 50 yds and leave it at that for a few weeks. Now get your partner to run like fook from 100yds away and let the dog follow,now introduce the command and shorten the distance before issuing the STOP command.As i say over the top 4 many people ,but i require it of my dogs.

 

 

The shitter is that my dogs bright enough to know the difference between a dummy, a person, and quarry.

Guess its not,bright enough to respond to a command though.

 

See thats the thing, i could call him off a dummy or off my mate running across a field, all i'm saying is if a hare or rabbit went past the dog at speed and he started after it and go on top of it, i couldn't shout a word and have him suddenly pull off and come straight back, leaving the hare/rabbit to leg it across the open field unmolested. COuld you, because that is truly impressive? And i aint knocking ya, no need to be insulting.

[TOMO 28,360]

Not wanting to get into an argument .Basically my pups/dogs can run,jump, chase,swim and piss about as much as they like and enjoy things .However I`m in charge when the hunt is on and it`s as simple as that.Some pups that i have had have went to friends and they were delighted with the pups ,but ? i DO not think i expect 2 much from a well trained dog.

 

Which is all well and good, but how do you ACTUALLY train this? If i took your dogs, beat a hare past them, slipped them and after 10/20 yards when they were right on it, you could call 'YAK' and they would about turn and trot back? It's not an argument, it's a conversation.

From very young pup after all the retrieving games are finished,start throwing the dummy long distances,then call the pup back halfway through.Gradually shorten the didtance to less than 20 yds.Now try it with a second person,standing 100 yds from you send the pup and recall after 50yds,then shorten the distance to 50 yds and leave it at that for a few weeks. Now get your partner to run like fook from 100yds away and let the dog follow,now introduce the command and shorten the distance before issuing the STOP command.As i say over the top 4 many people ,but i require it of my dogs.

 

 

The shitter is that my dogs bright enough to know the difference between a dummy, a person, and quarry.

Guess its not,bright enough to respond to a command though.

 

See thats the thing, i could call him off a dummy or off my mate running across a field, all i'm saying is if a hare or rabbit went past the dog at speed and he started after it and go on top of it, i couldn't shout a word and have him suddenly pull off and come straight back, leaving the hare/rabbit to leg it across the open field unmolested. COuld you, because that is truly impressive? And i aint knocking ya, no need to be insulting.

 

You say you could not call your dog off ideation,, but have you actualy tried ??

[BIG ZOOK 5]

Not wanting to get into an argument .Basically my pups/dogs can run,jump, chase,swim and piss about as much as they like and enjoy things .However I`m in charge when the hunt is on and it`s as simple as that.Some pups that i have had have went to friends and they were delighted with the pups ,but ? i DO not think i expect 2 much from a well trained dog.

 

Which is all well and good, but how do you ACTUALLY train this? If i took your dogs, beat a hare past them, slipped them and after 10/20 yards when they were right on it, you could call 'YAK' and they would about turn and trot back? It's not an argument, it's a conversation.

From very young pup after all the retrieving games are finished,start throwing the dummy long distances,then call the pup back halfway through.Gradually shorten the didtance to less than 20 yds.Now try it with a second person,standing 100 yds from you send the pup and recall after 50yds,then shorten the distance to 50 yds and leave it at that for a few weeks. Now get your partner to run like fook from 100yds away and let the dog follow,now introduce the command and shorten the distance before issuing the STOP command.As i say over the top 4 many people ,but i require it of my dogs.

 

 

The shitter is that my dogs bright enough to know the difference between a dummy, a person, and quarry.

Guess its not,bright enough to respond to a command though.

 

See thats the thing, i could call him off a dummy or off my mate running across a field, all i'm saying is if a hare or rabbit went past the dog at speed and he started after it and go on top of it, i couldn't shout a word and have him suddenly pull off and come straight back, leaving the hare/rabbit to leg it across the open field unmolested. COuld you, because that is truly impressive? And i aint knocking ya, no need to be insulting.

I have had pups that would not ,stop the chase in full flow and they went on to owners who had them 4 yrs.If you are happy with your wards then enjoy them .To stop a dog in full flow :toast:is childs play in comparison to get it to stop eating its dinner after a day`s fasting .

[Ideation 8,217]

Not wanting to get into an argument .Basically my pups/dogs can run,jump, chase,swim and piss about as much as they like and enjoy things .However I`m in charge when the hunt is on and it`s as simple as that.Some pups that i have had have went to friends and they were delighted with the pups ,but ? i DO not think i expect 2 much from a well trained dog.

 

Which is all well and good, but how do you ACTUALLY train this? If i took your dogs, beat a hare past them, slipped them and after 10/20 yards when they were right on it, you could call 'YAK' and they would about turn and trot back? It's not an argument, it's a conversation.

From very young pup after all the retrieving games are finished,start throwing the dummy long distances,then call the pup back halfway through.Gradually shorten the didtance to less than 20 yds.Now try it with a second person,standing 100 yds from you send the pup and recall after 50yds,then shorten the distance to 50 yds and leave it at that for a few weeks. Now get your partner to run like fook from 100yds away and let the dog follow,now introduce the command and shorten the distance before issuing the STOP command.As i say over the top 4 many people ,but i require it of my dogs.

 

 

The shitter is that my dogs bright enough to know the difference between a dummy, a person, and quarry.

Guess its not,bright enough to respond to a command though.

 

See thats the thing, i could call him off a dummy or off my mate running across a field, all i'm saying is if a hare or rabbit went past the dog at speed and he started after it and go on top of it, i couldn't shout a word and have him suddenly pull off and come straight back, leaving the hare/rabbit to leg it across the open field unmolested. COuld you, because that is truly impressive? And i aint knocking ya, no need to be insulting.

 

You say you could not call your dog off ideation,, but have you actualy tried ??

 

There have been a couple of times, and yes he came back, but not straight off a quarrys ass, its not something i try often as the need doesnt arise. My thinking is tho, that if you 'train' this in with a dummy, you must need, when you first encounter quarry to re-inforce this lesson, as live game is very different. As such, you would find yourself running the dog on game and the shouting it off (cos you cant tell me first time, one word and he comes off?), so there you are, sometimes letting your dog run quarry, and sometimes shouting it off, and needing to be forceful. Sounds like a good way to f**k up a young dogs head. Now with older dogs its a bit different cos they really are responding to the bond formed with you over a lifetime, but even these dogs, when nose to arse with quarry (not the other side of a field) i'd be impressed if you could drop them off with one word. I'm just interested not trying to claim i know it all or anything

[trenchfoot 4,243]

it strikes me from this thread that there is a great variation in what some people ask of a lurcher. That "do-or-die attitude" to take whats at the end of a run is an impressive thing to watch. So is the immediate response of a well trained dog to its handler. So long as you can answer the question honestly, "have I done the best for my dog?" at the end of a day, night or seasons hunting and sleep easy in your bed with the truth then that training has been right for the 2 of you.

 

I have made mistakes in training, and the way I have run my dogs in the past - I will always hope to do the best for the dogs that I have, and not to try and put a shine on my own ego.

 

Cheers,

 

Yorkie