Obedience of lurchers??

[rocky1 942]

i need my dogs 2 give 500% ,if i slip my dogs and the prey is only 10yds or 1yds from the hedge i want my dogs 2 run untill it has lost site of its prey,the land i run my dogs have 2 give it their all as their hardly no easy slips and must have this high drive 2 sucseed

Edited March 9, 2011 by rocky1

[shepp 2,285]

My first cross collie grey was picking up commands as quickly as the labs at training class when she was a pup.

[BIG ZOOK 5]

I prefer half collie/greyhound pups at 8 weeks old But on some occasions a quarter collie /greyhound is required and expect them to obey all the, basic commands and act upon a series of arm/whistle signals All my dogs,respond to command when told to abandon a chase and that is a great quality.We also have a greyhound :icon_eek:that was rescued as a young pup ,not ideal by any means but suitable 4 some on here.

not saying this about all collies just some,and its when i hear somthing like the above calling the dog of a chase i think thats when 2 much brains can be a fault in a lurcher ,anyway used 2 go out with lad that ran collie/greys,the first few slips the dog would run brill and then half hearted only running halfway down the beam if he thought the rabbit was going trough the hedge he,d pull up 50yds before ,this used realy do the guys head as this dog could be a handy dog and do the numbers ,i know all collies are not like this,just when i read the above about calling of a chase ,their no were i could do that with my deerhoundx ,just my opion as we all know opion mean nothing on here

Never had any issues,with my dogs,pulling out of a chase "without command"in day or night :notworthy:However if i have been out and the dog got up,against an unsuitable quarry then i need to call off the chase,be it a fox/deer/farm cat or busy main road.My dogs ignore my free running chickens down the garden but if i was not there it would be carnage.

 

Well i salute you, cos if i placed my dog in a field and a rabbit 20 yards away running across the open space, and i gave my dog the very firm command to stay, sit, lie, whatever and then let go of his collar, he may well hesitate for a second, pause, but probably not. He'll not be thinking of anything but that bunny. And he's off. . . . everytime.

Over the last two decades some of my mates have had,faster,more agile dogs that would run till their hearts burst and they were fine dogs .However i decide if a chase is viable and i make the choice,many a night i have avoided the slip against a long ear,if i`m after bunnies.IMO the secret to calling off a chase,requires the use of a chosen word used from a young age "yak" is the word i use,not likley to be heard everyday or confused with another command.

[Ideation 8,217]

I prefer half collie/greyhound pups at 8 weeks old But on some occasions a quarter collie /greyhound is required and expect them to obey all the, basic commands and act upon a series of arm/whistle signals All my dogs,respond to command when told to abandon a chase and that is a great quality.We also have a greyhound :icon_eek:that was rescued as a young pup ,not ideal by any means but suitable 4 some on here.

not saying this about all collies just some,and its when i hear somthing like the above calling the dog of a chase i think thats when 2 much brains can be a fault in a lurcher ,anyway used 2 go out with lad that ran collie/greys,the first few slips the dog would run brill and then half hearted only running halfway down the beam if he thought the rabbit was going trough the hedge he,d pull up 50yds before ,this used realy do the guys head as this dog could be a handy dog and do the numbers ,i know all collies are not like this,just when i read the above about calling of a chase ,their no were i could do that with my deerhoundx ,just my opion as we all know opion mean nothing on here

Never had any issues,with my dogs,pulling out of a chase "without command"in day or night :notworthy:However if i have been out and the dog got up,against an unsuitable quarry then i need to call off the chase,be it a fox/deer/farm cat or busy main road.My dogs ignore my free running chickens down the garden but if i was not there it would be carnage.

 

Well i salute you, cos if i placed my dog in a field and a rabbit 20 yards away running across the open space, and i gave my dog the very firm command to stay, sit, lie, whatever and then let go of his collar, he may well hesitate for a second, pause, but probably not. He'll not be thinking of anything but that bunny. And he's off. . . . everytime.

Over the last two decades some of my mates have had,faster,more agile dogs that would run till their hearts burst and they were fine dogs .However i decide if a chase is viable and i make the choice,many a night i have avoided the slip against a long ear,if i`m after bunnies.IMO the secret to calling off a chase,requires the use of a chosen word used from a young age "yak" is the word i use,not likley to be heard everyday or confused with another command.

 

The thing is there is nothing else even close to running game for a dog. You can chuck a dummy all you like and never see the dog REALLY run, and you can chuck a dummy and shout a dog off it and back, but when the dog has committed itself to running game and is on it, they just aint listening the same, it's balls to the wall do or die time. If the bunny makes a gap, i.e goes through a hedge or a fence and the dog has to slow for a second i could maybe call it off, but if he was on its arse screaming across a field. . . . i could yak till i was blue in the face . . . . .

[bradaz2009 9]

i got 2 g x s x b's and both do them commands sit lie stay paw jump on command recall it dont have to be a collie x when i was younger i got a collie grey jump anything in front of it take it out day or night slip it on anything the dog would do it then when u got towards it or if it missed it the dog went home no matter where i walked it the dog would go home miles or metres and around the streets it would walk at your side very nice dog bout 26in but put me off collie x and it was 5/8 3/8 grey collie

[rocky1 942]

I prefer half collie/greyhound pups at 8 weeks old But on some occasions a quarter collie /greyhound is required and expect them to obey all the, basic commands and act upon a series of arm/whistle signals All my dogs,respond to command when told to abandon a chase and that is a great quality.We also have a greyhound :icon_eek:that was rescued as a young pup ,not ideal by any means but suitable 4 some on here.

not saying this about all collies just some,and its when i hear somthing like the above calling the dog of a chase i think thats when 2 much brains can be a fault in a lurcher ,anyway used 2 go out with lad that ran collie/greys,the first few slips the dog would run brill and then half hearted only running halfway down the beam if he thought the rabbit was going trough the hedge he,d pull up 50yds before ,this used realy do the guys head as this dog could be a handy dog and do the numbers ,i know all collies are not like this,just when i read the above about calling of a chase ,their no were i could do that with my deerhoundx ,just my opion as we all know opion mean nothing on here

Never had any issues,with my dogs,pulling out of a chase "without command"in day or night :notworthy:However if i have been out and the dog got up,against an unsuitable quarry then i need to call off the chase,be it a fox/deer/farm cat or busy main road.My dogs ignore my free running chickens down the garden but if i was not there it would be carnage.

 

Well i salute you, cos if i placed my dog in a field and a rabbit 20 yards away running across the open space, and i gave my dog the very firm command to stay, sit, lie, whatever and then let go of his collar, he may well hesitate for a second, pause, but probably not. He'll not be thinking of anything but that bunny. And he's off. . . . everytime.

Over the last two decades some of my mates have had,faster,more agile dogs that would run till their hearts burst and they were fine dogs .However i decide if a chase is viable and i make the choice,many a night i have avoided the slip against a long ear,if i`m after bunnies.IMO the secret to calling off a chase,requires the use of a chosen word used from a young age "yak" is the word i use,not likley to be heard everyday or confused with another command.

 

The thing is there is nothing else even close to running game for a dog. You can chuck a dummy all you like and never see the dog REALLY run, and you can chuck a dummy and shout a dog off it and back, but when the dog has committed itself to running game and is on it, they just aint listening the same, it's balls to the wall do or die time. If the bunny makes a gap, i.e goes through a hedge or a fence and the dog has to slow for a second i could maybe call it off, but if he was on its arse screaming across a field. . . . i could yak till i was blue in the face . . . . .

agree 100% mate ,i,ve seen heart in mouth moments over the years,but thats whats its all about

[BIG ZOOK 5]

I prefer half collie/greyhound pups at 8 weeks old But on some occasions a quarter collie /greyhound is required and expect them to obey all the, basic commands and act upon a series of arm/whistle signals All my dogs,respond to command when told to abandon a chase and that is a great quality.We also have a greyhound :icon_eek:that was rescued as a young pup ,not ideal by any means but suitable 4 some on here.

not saying this about all collies just some,and its when i hear somthing like the above calling the dog of a chase i think thats when 2 much brains can be a fault in a lurcher ,anyway used 2 go out with lad that ran collie/greys,the first few slips the dog would run brill and then half hearted only running halfway down the beam if he thought the rabbit was going trough the hedge he,d pull up 50yds before ,this used realy do the guys head as this dog could be a handy dog and do the numbers ,i know all collies are not like this,just when i read the above about calling of a chase ,their no were i could do that with my deerhoundx ,just my opion as we all know opion mean nothing on here

Never had any issues,with my dogs,pulling out of a chase "without command"in day or night :notworthy:However if i have been out and the dog got up,against an unsuitable quarry then i need to call off the chase,be it a fox/deer/farm cat or busy main road.My dogs ignore my free running chickens down the garden but if i was not there it would be carnage.

 

Well i salute you, cos if i placed my dog in a field and a rabbit 20 yards away running across the open space, and i gave my dog the very firm command to stay, sit, lie, whatever and then let go of his collar, he may well hesitate for a second, pause, but probably not. He'll not be thinking of anything but that bunny. And he's off. . . . everytime.

Over the last two decades some of my mates have had,faster,more agile dogs that would run till their hearts burst and they were fine dogs .However i decide if a chase is viable and i make the choice,many a night i have avoided the slip against a long ear,if i`m after bunnies.IMO the secret to calling off a chase,requires the use of a chosen word used from a young age "yak" is the word i use,not likley to be heard everyday or confused with another command.

 

The thing is there is nothing else even close to running game for a dog. You can chuck a dummy all you like and never see the dog REALLY run, and you can chuck a dummy and shout a dog off it and back, but when the dog has committed itself to running game and is on it, they just aint listening the same, it's balls to the wall do or die time. If the bunny makes a gap, i.e goes through a hedge or a fence and the dog has to slow for a second i could maybe call it off, but if he was on its arse screaming across a field. . . . i could yak till i was blue in the face . . . . .

You are on about,calling of a dog that has missed/lost the chance and that is basic obedience.Ican call of the chase of my dogs in full flight and it`s not trickery or magic.I require this of My dogs and with collie in the mix, you will stop it having a piss if you command it .What other people require is of no concern of mine .PS you mentioned DUMMY.all my dummy training was finished by 11-14 months.

Edited March 9, 2011 by BIG ZOOK

[rapidjenky 97]

my 3/4 saluki pup. will sit, stay, jump, retrieve, got to bed, go out side and wee and recall and she is 4 months old.

 

my first saluki x and to be honest is nearer pure then a 3/4 really and she is extremely intelligent.

 

never ever had a dog that you couldent teach the basics to.

[jimmy100 48]

the most important command of all is "wesit" :laugh: its ok teaching them set commands but you tend to find in the heat of the moment they are the last things you actually say id teach it "oi" "ere" "get off it" "you f*****g thing" "get over" "get on lad" etc lol dogs pick up on everything you say and your teaching it things without even knowing most of the time :thumbs:

[Ideation 8,217]

I prefer half collie/greyhound pups at 8 weeks old But on some occasions a quarter collie /greyhound is required and expect them to obey all the, basic commands and act upon a series of arm/whistle signals All my dogs,respond to command when told to abandon a chase and that is a great quality.We also have a greyhound :icon_eek:that was rescued as a young pup ,not ideal by any means but suitable 4 some on here.

not saying this about all collies just some,and its when i hear somthing like the above calling the dog of a chase i think thats when 2 much brains can be a fault in a lurcher ,anyway used 2 go out with lad that ran collie/greys,the first few slips the dog would run brill and then half hearted only running halfway down the beam if he thought the rabbit was going trough the hedge he,d pull up 50yds before ,this used realy do the guys head as this dog could be a handy dog and do the numbers ,i know all collies are not like this,just when i read the above about calling of a chase ,their no were i could do that with my deerhoundx ,just my opion as we all know opion mean nothing on here

Never had any issues,with my dogs,pulling out of a chase "without command"in day or night :notworthy:However if i have been out and the dog got up,against an unsuitable quarry then i need to call off the chase,be it a fox/deer/farm cat or busy main road.My dogs ignore my free running chickens down the garden but if i was not there it would be carnage.

 

Well i salute you, cos if i placed my dog in a field and a rabbit 20 yards away running across the open space, and i gave my dog the very firm command to stay, sit, lie, whatever and then let go of his collar, he may well hesitate for a second, pause, but probably not. He'll not be thinking of anything but that bunny. And he's off. . . . everytime.

Over the last two decades some of my mates have had,faster,more agile dogs that would run till their hearts burst and they were fine dogs .However i decide if a chase is viable and i make the choice,many a night i have avoided the slip against a long ear,if i`m after bunnies.IMO the secret to calling off a chase,requires the use of a chosen word used from a young age "yak" is the word i use,not likley to be heard everyday or confused with another command.

 

The thing is there is nothing else even close to running game for a dog. You can chuck a dummy all you like and never see the dog REALLY run, and you can chuck a dummy and shout a dog off it and back, but when the dog has committed itself to running game and is on it, they just aint listening the same, it's balls to the wall do or die time. If the bunny makes a gap, i.e goes through a hedge or a fence and the dog has to slow for a second i could maybe call it off, but if he was on its arse screaming across a field. . . . i could yak till i was blue in the face . . . . .

You are on about,calling of a dog that has missed/lost the chance and that is basic obedience.Ican call of the chase of my dogs in full flight and it`s not trickery or magic.I require this of My dogs .What other people require is of no concern of mine .PS you mentioned DUMMY..

 

Not really because the dog should be able to go over/through the obstacle and follow its quarry. Obviously if the quarry is gone, say to ground, and the dog is standing there it comes back, but if the quarry is in another field, still running, still in sight, but a distance off, then the dog is called back, rather than trying to make up the ground, or it is sent on.. . . .

 

But is there really any reason to be insulting? Or are you just a dickhead? Yes, i mentioned dummy, the training aid, and in no way insulted you. I was just giving my experience with my dogs. 'What other people require is of no concern of mine' - another arrogant statement, its called sharing ideas, information, learning. We ain't all trying to convert each other or tell each other what to do.

 

and I never suggested that what you claim is trickery of magic, i have heard plenty of folk say it. I've never witnessed it though. I was just interested to know how you go about training this?

[Ideation 8,217]

the most important command of all is "wesit" :laugh: its ok teaching them set commands but you tend to find in the heat of the moment they are the last things you actually say id teach it "oi" "ere" "get off it" "you f*****g thing" "get over" "get on lad" etc lol dogs pick up on everything you say and your teaching it things without even knowing most of the time :thumbs:

 

Aye 'Whereishe' , 'Ishein', 'Getonimlad', 'ksssssst', 'Goneaway', 'Getere', 'Shudup'

[Rory4 267]

I think all basic commands are essential, specially recall can get you and dog out of alot trouble. ive got first x collie whippet does all comands i want wait, sit, down ,up, find it, get on and can call her off anything which is really handed specially pheasant beating and when she sees something she shouldnt be chasing and people might see, but sometimes she can be annoying choosing some runs on lamp and stalking. so got a whip grey pup last summer for a changed and bit challenge to train

[jimmy100 48]

the most important command of all is "wesit" :laugh: its ok teaching them set commands but you tend to find in the heat of the moment they are the last things you actually say id teach it "oi" "ere" "get off it" "you f*****g thing" "get over" "get on lad" etc lol dogs pick up on everything you say and your teaching it things without even knowing most of the time :thumbs:

 

Aye 'Whereishe' , 'Ishein', 'Getonimlad', 'ksssssst', 'Goneaway', 'Getere', 'Shudup'

dont forget "wassupi" :laugh:

[Ideation 8,217]

the most important command of all is "wesit" :laugh: its ok teaching them set commands but you tend to find in the heat of the moment they are the last things you actually say id teach it "oi" "ere" "get off it" "you f*****g thing" "get over" "get on lad" etc lol dogs pick up on everything you say and your teaching it things without even knowing most of the time :thumbs:

 

Aye 'Whereishe' , 'Ishein', 'Getonimlad', 'ksssssst', 'Goneaway', 'Getere', 'Shudup'

dont forget "wassupi" :laugh:

 

an of course . . . 'Fuckingittlebastardleaveit', 'Oinegro' and 'Runboyrunthekeeperscoming'

[BIG ZOOK 5]

Not wanting to get into an argument .Basically my pups/dogs can run,jump, chase,swim and piss about as much as they like and enjoy things .However I`m in charge when the hunt is on and it`s as simple as that.Some pups that i have had have went to friends and they were delighted with the pups ,but ? i DO not think i expect 2 much from a well trained dog.