RossM 8,149 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 read on another forum :thumbdown: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/countryside/8320508/Millionaire-backer-of-hunt-sabs-and-eco-militants-in-talks-to-fund-police-crime-unit.html 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 That's shocking. Any donation to a public body like the police should be spent wherever the priorities lie at the discretion of the police force. If that deal goes through, it's like he's paying for the police to support his own ideological ideals.. Wrong in every sense.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lapin2008 1,587 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 read on another forum :thumbdown: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/countryside/8320508/Millionaire-backer-of-hunt-sabs-and-eco-militants-in-talks-to-fund-police-crime-unit.html Pretty shocking precedence to set that to have people in a position to dictate where money goes thereby funding their own agendas. I cant see how realistically anything can be done on a national basis to make any real difference with a budget of 430,000 other then the odd poster campaign asking people to grass more etc.. Dont think anything on the ground will actually change as a result of this other then to raise profile/public awareness. The article it does say its 50K for press officer and backroom staff "The offer of financial aid – which would pay for backroom staff including a media relations officer – is now with the Association of Chief Police Officers for final approval. The amount is being kept secret but is likely to be around £50,000 a year." What do they do within the police force do they just field calls from public then forward to the normal police? "Mr Constantine is in talks to make up any shortfall to the £430,000 a year cost of running the unit." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richie10 345 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 New world order. Corporations and Rich individuals determining the law of the common people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 What utter shite. How can they say "in a time when rural crime is increasing" when they are constantly having so called 'crackdowns'. It is not increasing, they are just becoming more vigilant. Hopefully he gets hit by a bus, he sounds a right prick. FTB 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richie10 345 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 What utter shite. How can they say "in a time when rural crime is increasing" when they are constantly having so called 'crackdowns'. It is not increasing, they are just becoming more vigilant. Hopefully he gets hit by a bus, he sounds a right prick. FTB He funds illegal activity and now is trying to hustify it. Criminals funding the police, whatever next. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I guess its at times like this we find out whether our new pro hunting tory led government were worth the vote... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I guess its at times like this we find out whether our new pro hunting tory led government were worth the vote... They might be pro hunting, but they are also keen on having as much funding being sourced from the private sector as possible... Wonder which one of their ideologies will come to the fore? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I guess its at times like this we find out whether our new pro hunting tory led government were worth the vote... They might be pro hunting, but they are also keen on having as much funding being sourced from the private sector as possible... Wonder which one of their ideologies will come to the fore? hmmmm, i wonder indeed! Tbh we, the hunting community as a whole, are constantly having shit like this thrown at us, its getting to the point where personally Im sick of giving a toss, just gonna have to say "feck it, bollocks to ya, catch me if ya fecking can". Saying that, ill never stop trying to make a difference, but whats been done has been done and Im starting to ask the question "can we ever begin to turn the tables and make some victories or are we forever going to be on the defensive?" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RossM 8,149 Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 and he is a recognised as an upstanding citizen hes a fecking OBE!!???!!! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I guess its at times like this we find out whether our new pro hunting tory led government were worth the vote... They might be pro hunting, but they are also keen on having as much funding being sourced from the private sector as possible... Wonder which one of their ideologies will come to the fore? hmmmm, i wonder indeed! Tbh we, the hunting community as a whole, are constantly having shit like this thrown at us, its getting to the point where personally Im sick of giving a toss, just gonna have to say "feck it, bollocks to ya, catch me if ya fecking can". Saying that, ill never stop trying to make a difference, but whats been done has been done and Im starting to ask the question "can we ever begin to turn the tables and make some victories or are we forever going to be on the defensive?" it's a tough one.. I think our cause has been helped over the last few years by some of the programs by chefs trying to re-educate the general public about the realities of the food chain and where our meat comes from. I'd say most of the general public hold a balanced view about what we do, or at least I'd like to think they do. Sometimes we forget that there's more to the whole debate than us hunters and the anti's who oppose us. The battle for hearts and minds is with the general public, and all we can try to do is to make sure that we make at least as much noise as the antis to make sure the debate is an even one. Lets face it, there are always going to be people who oppose what we do, it's human nature. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Thing is malt we never make as much fuss as the antis as we don't crave attention. A vast proportion of these millitant antis don't even believe in the shite they spout. They are only there to be a part of something and get the attention they crave. They don't care about animal welfare and never have. Their primary concern is pissing people off and getting recognition for doing so. Very sad indeed. FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 The 'hearts and minds' of the public is indeed where our fight will be won or lost. Reading Nick Stevens new book he had some very interesting points on how the hunting community should be going about this, and its not too late to start now. How is it that the antis can throw money at their cause and get results but the hunting/shooting/fishing communities (who must have far more resources collectively) cant? It makes you wonder if we all took our memberships to the numerous pro hunting/shooting organisations out there then put it in a big pot and used it for political bribes, if we would have more success??? Even with all the good press with celeb chefs, I think our chosen sports are still portrayed to the public falsly. Its always about "we hunt to get organic meat blah blah" and we do, but we really hunt because we are hunters, not to feed ourselves per say, but because deep in our genetics their is a primal urge to go out and outwit the beast with skill and cunning and in doing so fullfill one of our most basic instincts. An instinct linked very closely to the intinct to provide for our family. The hunt fullfills that instinct, not a carcass. We must all strive to hunt ethically, a week doesnt go by where I dont question my ethics and morals about hunting. But I wont hide that I hunt because I am a hunter, not because I enjoy dining on a varied diet of organic meat. Anyway Im straying off topic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Thing is malt we never make as much fuss as the antis as we don't crave attention. A vast proportion of these millitant antis don't even believe in the shite they spout. They are only there to be a part of something and get the attention they crave. They don't care about animal welfare and never have. Their primary concern is pissing people off and getting recognition for doing so. Very sad indeed. FTB That's true. A large portion of them are probably the same people who turn up at every protest. Animal rights, student fees, anti globalisation, etc. The rest are the vocal minority who think that they can presume to speak for everyone because they are shouting louder than everyone else. The 'hearts and minds' of the public is indeed where our fight will be won or lost. Reading Nick Stevens new book he had some very interesting points on how the hunting community should be going about this, and its not too late to start now. How is it that the antis can throw money at their cause and get results but the hunting/shooting/fishing communities (who must have far more resources collectively) cant? It makes you wonder if we all took our memberships to the numerous pro hunting/shooting organisations out there then put it in a big pot and used it for political bribes, if we would have more success??? Even with all the good press with celeb chefs, I think our chosen sports are still portrayed to the public falsly. Its always about "we hunt to get organic meat blah blah" and we do, but we really hunt because we are hunters, not to feed ourselves per say, but because deep in our genetics their is a primal urge to go out and outwit the beast with skill and cunning and in doing so fullfill one of our most basic instincts. An instinct linked very closely to the intinct to provide for our family. The hunt fullfills that instinct, not a carcass. We must all strive to hunt ethically, a week doesnt go by where I dont question my ethics and morals about hunting. But I wont hide that I hunt because I am a hunter, not because I enjoy dining on a varied diet of organic meat. Anyway Im straying off topic I'd go along with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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