whin 463 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 these sites are made so diolons etc can gleen informaition of guys who have tioled to learn the game ,and be at it on the big stage ,there plenty books out there plenty profesional dog trainers maybe cesar milan will help you ,lol lurcher and retreiving well if its not bred into them you can train them but if its not in them they soon say fech it , to have abspot on retreiver you have to make sure thats why hees put on earth to fetch ,all dogs have a tolerance with fetching and they all sicken after a while ,if i was into still doing trainig with dogs i would especaily saluks get them fetching spot on first long before the real game starts ,you hear al the diolons on here all catching young not ONE says there great retreivers of game well trained lurchers just piont and slip dogs,the lurcher i grew up with hunt a feild flush ahare chase catch and fetch now they couldnt give a dam aslong as they cacth it times change , Quote Link to post
TOMO 29,053 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 these sites are made so diolons etc can gleen informaition of guys who have tioled to learn the game ,and be at it on the big stage ,there plenty books out there plenty profesional dog trainers maybe cesar milan will help you ,lol lurcher and retreiving well if its not bred into them you can train them but if its not in them they soon say fech it , to have abspot on retreiver you have to make sure thats why hees put on earth to fetch ,all dogs have a tolerance with fetching and they all sicken after a while ,if i was into still doing trainig with dogs i would especaily saluks get them fetching spot on first long before the real game starts ,you hear al the diolons on here all catching young not ONE says there great retreivers of game well trained lurchers just piont and slip dogs,the lurcher i grew up with hunt a feild flush ahare chase catch and fetch now they couldnt give a dam aslong as they cacth it times change , you know whin somtimes yo talk sence ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what you say at the end of this paragraph is true so many young uns just want the point and slip...............but here we have a young fella wanting more,,,so lets help him.. balldocs , two other things that may help,,, go alone with this dog, when your lamping leave the lamp off compleaty whilst hes retriving,,,,i know the temptation to keep putting the lamp on to see where he is especialy now he has this habbit , but keep it off also refrain from calling him. i know what i have just said sounds compleatly alien , but give it a go, Quote Link to post
riohog 5,939 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 these sites are made so diolons etc can gleen informaition of guys who have tioled to learn the game ,and be at it on the big stage ,there plenty books out there plenty profesional dog trainers maybe cesar milan will help you ,lol lurcher and retreiving well if its not bred into them you can train them but if its not in them they soon say fech it , to have abspot on retreiver you have to make sure thats why hees put on earth to fetch ,all dogs have a tolerance with fetching and they all sicken after a while ,if i was into still doing trainig with dogs i would especaily saluks get them fetching spot on first long before the real game starts ,you hear al the diolons on here all catching young not ONE says there great retreivers of game well trained lurchers just piont and slip dogs,the lurcher i grew up with hunt a feild flush ahare chase catch and fetch now they couldnt give a dam aslong as they cacth it times change , you know whin somtimes yo talk sence ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what you say at the end of this paragraph is true so many young uns just want the point and slip...............but here we have a young fella wanting more,,,so lets help him.. balldocs , two other things that may help,,, go alone with this dog, when your lamping leave the lamp off compleaty whilst hes retriving,,,,i know the temptation to keep putting the lamp on to see where he is especialy now he has this habbit , but keep it off also refrain from calling him. i know what i have just said sounds compleatly alien , but give it a go, good advice tomo , i never double a pup up when it starts lamping it will click if you give it the right chances make sure it catches !! worked for me over 40 years Quote Link to post
beddycross 18 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 dont know how your dogs bond is with you pal but i trained mine with a ball to fetch back and when out catcing stuff i just let her bring stuff back and then let her carry it instead if taking it off her straight away ,,, maybe coincidence mate but she has never failed since and always works hard to please Quote Link to post
bird 10,014 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 these sites are made so diolons etc can gleen informaition of guys who have tioled to learn the game ,and be at it on the big stage ,there plenty books out there plenty profesional dog trainers maybe cesar milan will help you ,lol lurcher and retreiving well if its not bred into them you can train them but if its not in them they soon say fech it , to have abspot on retreiver you have to make sure thats why hees put on earth to fetch ,all dogs have a tolerance with fetching and they all sicken after a while ,if i was into still doing trainig with dogs i would especaily saluks get them fetching spot on first long before the real game starts ,you hear al the diolons on here all catching young not ONE says there great retreivers of game well trained lurchers just piont and slip dogs,the lurcher i grew up with hunt a feild flush ahare chase catch and fetch now they couldnt give a dam aslong as they cacth it times change , you know whin somtimes yo talk sence ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what you say at the end of this paragraph is true so many young uns just want the point and slip...............but here we have a young fella wanting more,,,so lets help him.. balldocs , two other things that may help,,, go alone with this dog, when your lamping leave the lamp off compleaty whilst hes retriving,,,,i know the temptation to keep putting the lamp on to see where he is especialy now he has this habbit , but keep it off also refrain from calling him. i know what i have just said sounds compleatly alien , but give it a go, spot on the last bit it cam make them come in alot closer, but some times the feckers drop rabbit back there, and if say in stubble you carnt find it. Feckin lurchers Quote Link to post
skycat 6,174 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Riohog: I've found that works with Saluki types. The more you call them the more they want to hang on to their catch: almost as though they are teasing you, getting the upper hand. If I call my big dog he literally goes in the opposite direction! If I ignore him completely he will bring it to hand, though never if there's other dogs present. He is really jealous and possessive. A friend of mine who has worked Saluki types for many years despaired of getting his dogs to retrieve: he went out and bought a shock collar. Now most people would think that this would make the dog even worse, but he's a clever man and having initially conditioned his dogs to recall using the collar, especially on the lamp at night, he then used it to establish the retrieve. Just a tingle or the tone, and he was worried that it would stop the dogs catching, but their prey drive and possessiveness is so high that it worked fine and his dogs now retrieve on the lamp perfectly. IMO this is a very dangerous course of action to take, and in any but the most experienced hands, a sure fire way of putting a dog off catching at all. But it worked for him: but he DID USE THE COLLAR TO ESTABLISH A GOOD RECALL FIRST. After all, a retrieve is just a recall with the dog carrying something in its mouth. Quote Link to post
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