Entering a pup using experienced dogs

[KittleRox 2,147]

Whenever anybody asks the best way to introduce a pup to lamping alot of people answer take the pup along with an experienced dog/dogs.

I have just started entering my pup and I have been out a couple of times with her and the older dogs.

This has personaly raised a few questions about the advantages/disadvantages and would like other peoples opinions.

 

1.When the pup is watching the other dog run down the beam,is it learning to watch the beam or is the pup just watching the other dog?

 

2.When the pup is watching the other dog coursing,is this causing the pup to become frustrated and increasing the chances of the pup to start yelping(opening up)when he/she is slipped on his/her own?

 

3.When trying to teach the pup to retrieve properly is having other dog present more of a hindrance?

 

Cheers,

[DottyDoo 500]

i know loads a dogs that have got a yip or a scream in them while watching another dog running the beam

an not 1 a them make a noise behind quarry mate

 

an id train the retreive without another dog present,maybe when the pup has gt the idea of what is expected, start doing it with an older, bomp proof dog around

[skycat 6,174]

Take it out on its own from day one, or rather, night one. Yes, you'll lose rabbits when the pup doesn't see them get up and run, and yes you'll have to train the pup to come straight back to you once it has caught or lost. I've never taken a pup out with another dog, and whilst it might be frustrating for you on the first few outings, practice makes perfect. Don't expect miracles: don't expect the pup to see a squatter, just get out there and practice, and don't get mad if the dog doesn't cotton on to the game straight away. Be patient, gentle and calm.

Some people take a pup out on the lamp somewhere there are NO rabbits: throw a dummy, light it up with the beam and train the dog to go out to retrieve the dummy that way. Use a rabbit skin covered dummy to make it look more like the real thing.

[artic 595]

You are much taller than your dog. So what you may see, the dog may not.

 

Unless your dog's recall is acceptable, then I would hold fire on the lamp for now.

 

The catching in time will come in the dogs own time, it's what comes before and after the slip that counts.

[Skinny 29]

Whenever anybody asks the best way to introduce a pup to lamping alot of people answer take the pup along with an experienced dog/dogs.

I have just started entering my pup and I have been out a couple of times with her and the older dogs.

This has personaly raised a few questions about the advantages/disadvantages and would like other peoples opinions.

 

1.When the pup is watching the other dog run down the beam,is it learning to watch the beam or is the pup just watching the other dog?

 

2.When the pup is watching the other dog coursing,is this causing the pup to become frustrated and increasing the chances of the pup to start yelping(opening up)when he/she is slipped on his/her own?

 

3.When trying to teach the pup to retrieve properly is having other dog present more of a hindrance?

 

Cheers,

I think the pup is watching the other dog to start but eventually starts to watch the rabbit.

 

I thonkk there is a possibility of the pup being noisy on the lead but this is something it has to learn not to do but I dont think it leads to yapping on the run there are differing theories on this.

 

I think having another dog there is a hindrance when retrieving but this can be eased by positioning yourself between your pup and your cpmapnion and his dog on the slip.

 

I have done it both ways with several dogs.

 

On its own is a slower process but I agree with skycat it gets better results. I have my pup ferreting as much as lamping and this is a good combination for beginner training though we are having issues with use of the the nose at night she has picked one out of the hedge already which I know she developed durong runs in the days time. And working with nets her confidence in her abilities is at a high.

[Guest deerhound hunter]

i,m going trough all now ,only had my 10 month old bullx pup on the lamp 4 times ,1st and second i could tell was keen watching a older dog by the second time she showed real intrest so i give him ago miss it ,third night stand hearing little barks out of him when watch the other dog and thats a no no when out lamping ,so i found an east 1 right out in the open slip him he nailed it over the moon ,took straight out the next night he got 5 ,so i think a n older dog can help in ways ,1 thing i,m going 2 do is keep the kills fresh in the pup head ,so for next 6 month he,ll be out 3 times aweek....good luck 2 all the lads and lasses bringing pups on this season

[Casso 1,261]

Whenever anybody asks the best way to introduce a pup to lamping alot of people answer take the pup along with an experienced dog/dogs.

I have just started entering my pup and I have been out a couple of times with her and the older dogs.

This has personaly raised a few questions about the advantages/disadvantages and would like other peoples opinions.

 

1.When the pup is watching the other dog run down the beam,is it learning to watch the beam or is the pup just watching the other dog?

 

2.When the pup is watching the other dog coursing,is this causing the pup to become frustrated and increasing the chances of the pup to start yelping(opening up)when he/she is slipped on his/her own?

 

3.When trying to teach the pup to retrieve properly is having other dog present more of a hindrance?

 

Cheers,

 

Maybe because i lamp mostly on my own , i enter the dog in a situation where i feel like i have some control of what happens, dont always work out like that, but i try to cut down on distractions,

1, your pup is watching the other dog, thats his only reference as far as tuning into something goes, he reads the other mutt like a book,, if the other dog is extremly excited , your pup will be too,

when i take the pup out for the first time , i want him chilled out, listening to me and reading me,,what way we begin to develope an understanding of what is expected

2, the yapping is only energy in the dog which cant be expressed,,dont worry , he will be able to express it once he starts,

3,for the first retrieve on the lamp , the last thing i would want is another dog lingering nearby,,i want the pup coming directly to me, however long it takes, with no distractions , i try to make the first retrieve as near perfect as possible, and if you need to walk away , talk nicely , crouch down , whatever it takes to get it right,

Remember its a huge emotional point in a pups life, everything experienced that night will never be forgot,,hope that helps,, everyone,s got their own version,thats how i do it,,best of luck

Edited November 11, 2010 by Casso

[jf1970 328]

Whenever anybody asks the best way to introduce a pup to lamping alot of people answer take the pup along with an experienced dog/dogs.

I have just started entering my pup and I have been out a couple of times with her and the older dogs.

This has personaly raised a few questions about the advantages/disadvantages and would like other peoples opinions.

 

1.When the pup is watching the other dog run down the beam,is it learning to watch the beam or is the pup just watching the other dog?

 

2.When the pup is watching the other dog coursing,is this causing the pup to become frustrated and increasing the chances of the pup to start yelping(opening up)when he/she is slipped on his/her own?

 

3.When trying to teach the pup to retrieve properly is having other dog present more of a hindrance?

 

Cheers,

 

hi roxy, i am introducing my pup to lamping at the moment, she is 7 1/2 mths old, she is watching an older and more experienced dog, only slipping her once a night on a squatter, she has been out for 2 nights and caught 1 rabbit each night, i definetely think she has learned from watching my friends whippet, when the lamp is turned on you can see she is looking down the beam even before the other dog is slipped, she does let out a yap now and again when she hears the squeel of the rabbit being caught but she hasn't yapped while chasing, when she caught her 1st rabbit with all the excitement she had , she never retrieved(well she did but didn't want to give me the rabbit), but she did on the 2nd rabbit and the other dog was present(some dogs won't retreive when another is near)my pup is 3/4 whippet 1/4 beddy, hope this helps, cheers......john

[KittleRox 2,147]

Thanks for all the great replies,

As I said I have had the pup out twice now,the first time she never caught any but she did retrieve a bunny a fair distance that my mates dog had dropped to give chase to another in the beam and I was very pleased.

She had about 6 runs and didn,t yelp at all.

However the second night I took her out she started yelping just before she connected with the rabbit,this was her second run and I was well chuffed and not overly concerned with the yelping,I just don,t want it to become a problem.

Also the retrieve was non existant which could also become a problem if allowed to.

As the night went on she became more excitable when she was kept on the lead whilst watching the other dogs on the harder courses.Whilst she never yelped on the lead I don,t think it was doing her any favours,just making her overly excited.

 

As you can probably tell I think it is probably better to take the pup on her own as the cons outweigh the pros imo.

 

thanks again,

[jf1970 328]

Thanks for all the great replies,

As I said I have had the pup out twice now,the first time she never caught any but she did retrieve a bunny a fair distance that my mates dog had dropped to give chase to another in the beam and I was very pleased.

She had about 6 runs and didn,t yelp at all.

However the second night I took her out she started yelping just before she connected with the rabbit,this was her second run and I was well chuffed and not overly concerned with the yelping,I just don,t want it to become a problem.

Also the retrieve was non existant which could also become a problem if allowed to.

As the night went on she became more excitable when she was kept on the lead whilst watching the other dogs on the harder courses.Whilst she never yelped on the lead I don,t think it was doing her any favours,just making her overly excited.

 

As you can probably tell I think it is probably better to take the pup on her own as the cons outweigh the pros imo.

 

thanks again,

 

if i were you roxy, i would only give her/him 1 slip a night on an easy rabbit, don't take it out every night, once or twice a week for 2-3 hrs to begin with is plenty, go out in the windiest-wettest night when the moon is low, how old is your pup? this is the way i have been doing it and it's paying of for my pup(although i have had help from my freind and his dog) and it's keeping her keen as mustard, cheers......john

[KittleRox 2,147]

Thanks for all the great replies,

As I said I have had the pup out twice now,the first time she never caught any but she did retrieve a bunny a fair distance that my mates dog had dropped to give chase to another in the beam and I was very pleased.

She had about 6 runs and didn,t yelp at all.

However the second night I took her out she started yelping just before she connected with the rabbit,this was her second run and I was well chuffed and not overly concerned with the yelping,I just don,t want it to become a problem.

Also the retrieve was non existant which could also become a problem if allowed to.

As the night went on she became more excitable when she was kept on the lead whilst watching the other dogs on the harder courses.Whilst she never yelped on the lead I don,t think it was doing her any favours,just making her overly excited.

 

As you can probably tell I think it is probably better to take the pup on her own as the cons outweigh the pros imo.

 

thanks again,

 

if i were you roxy, i would only give her/him 1 slip a night on an easy rabbit, don't take it out every night, once or twice a week for 2-3 hrs to begin with is plenty, go out in the windiest-wettest night when the moon is low, how old is your pup? this is the way i have been doing it and it's paying of for my pup(although i have had help from my freind and his dog) and it's keeping her keen as mustard, cheers......john

She,s nine months now,only taking her out lamping 3/4 hours once a week,also a bit of ferreting,

[jf1970 328]

Thanks for all the great replies,

As I said I have had the pup out twice now,the first time she never caught any but she did retrieve a bunny a fair distance that my mates dog had dropped to give chase to another in the beam and I was very pleased.

She had about 6 runs and didn,t yelp at all.

However the second night I took her out she started yelping just before she connected with the rabbit,this was her second run and I was well chuffed and not overly concerned with the yelping,I just don,t want it to become a problem.

Also the retrieve was non existant which could also become a problem if allowed to.

As the night went on she became more excitable when she was kept on the lead whilst watching the other dogs on the harder courses.Whilst she never yelped on the lead I don,t think it was doing her any favours,just making her overly excited.

 

As you can probably tell I think it is probably better to take the pup on her own as the cons outweigh the pros imo.

 

thanks again,

 

if i were you roxy, i would only give her/him 1 slip a night on an easy rabbit, don't take it out every night, once or twice a week for 2-3 hrs to begin with is plenty, go out in the windiest-wettest night when the moon is low, how old is your pup? this is the way i have been doing it and it's paying of for my pup(although i have had help from my freind and his dog) and it's keeping her keen as mustard, cheers......john

She,s nine months now,only taking her out lamping 3/4 hours once a week,also a bit of ferreting,

 

you are doing well mate, keep up the good work, what x is she?

[KittleRox 2,147]

Thanks for all the great replies,

As I said I have had the pup out twice now,the first time she never caught any but she did retrieve a bunny a fair distance that my mates dog had dropped to give chase to another in the beam and I was very pleased.

She had about 6 runs and didn,t yelp at all.

However the second night I took her out she started yelping just before she connected with the rabbit,this was her second run and I was well chuffed and not overly concerned with the yelping,I just don,t want it to become a problem.

Also the retrieve was non existant which could also become a problem if allowed to.

As the night went on she became more excitable when she was kept on the lead whilst watching the other dogs on the harder courses.Whilst she never yelped on the lead I don,t think it was doing her any favours,just making her overly excited.

 

As you can probably tell I think it is probably better to take the pup on her own as the cons outweigh the pros imo.

 

thanks again,

 

if i were you roxy, i would only give her/him 1 slip a night on an easy rabbit, don't take it out every night, once or twice a week for 2-3 hrs to begin with is plenty, go out in the windiest-wettest night when the moon is low, how old is your pup? this is the way i have been doing it and it's paying of for my pup(although i have had help from my freind and his dog) and it's keeping her keen as mustard, cheers......john

She,s nine months now,only taking her out lamping 3/4 hours once a week,also a bit of ferreting,

 

you are doing well mate, keep up the good work, what x is she?

collie/bull/grey,