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[BULL 100]

Lets cut the bullshit,the mans a peddlar plain and simple,the very worst kind in my book....and i dont mean to be impolite.

So what,because he has professionally built kennels and feeds a good feed that makes it ok ....." im keeping one back for myself but the other 6 are all for sale for 1500 pound each " : that old chestnut !

 

You say yourself he breeds for money,thats a peddlar....what in my opinion makes him the worst kind of peddlar is that he charges such an extortionate amount of money for pups,the type of money that encourages others to be peddlars as well......its easy to buy a pup for 1500 knowing that in a few years you are going to recoup on your investment many times over.

You say they are working dogs,what type of work ive never seen bulldogs,even american bulldogs do much in the way of work....and certainly not 1500 pounds worth of work.....why 1500 pound anyway ?.....even in a large litter of 10 pups it dont cost anywhere near 1500 pound to raise all 10 pups to 6/8 weeks.....so lets be generous and say 1000 pound to raise them,thats a 15,000 pound return for an outlay of 1000 pound !!!.......what makes these pups worth 1500 quid the fact they are a bit healthier,big deal....if the mans that into his dogs and into improving them he wont want any tom dick or harry having them,if some prick who decided yesterday he fancies a bulldog turns up on his door with 1500 quid.......or a decent young fella who loves the breed turns up with 50 quid whos he going to sell the dog to ?

 

Some things are self explannatory

gnasher his bulldogs arnt working dogs lol ,he also has working dogs too ,as i stated but you wouldnt get one of those pups off him ,now I already know the answer but wanted the thread to carry on to hear peoples view .

I asked if there was NO money in it would you keep the bulldogs he answered NO. hes a stright guy there looked after well but its for money,He seems to differentiate between his bulldogs and working dogs

but he dosent sell any of his working dogs ,Double standards everyone will have an opinon

[Bulldogman 55]

As the owner of a dual champ AB, i am really interested in who this guy is who can sells bulldogs (any type) for £1500.

 

What breed of bulldog are we talking? What makes him and the poor saps who pay this money think they are worth that? Are the parents titled/tested?

 

At the end of the day, professional built kennels and being worked once a day just means they are livestock - he is obviously a peddlar. The ab suffered with some major peddlars in the past, now the money's gone from them, so are these people....

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

In my opinion, there are good and bad in the working dog world, the good ones breed from the best, for 1 reason only, to produce more quality working dogs to do certain jobs and carry on the line ... the other side of the coin, are the people who breed for £££ only, and dont care about the working qualities and sometimes even the husbandry of their dogs is neglected. :thumbdown

i agree with everything you said in a working dog world ,but what do you think of people who breed an expensive type of dog as a cottage industry not bred everytime its in season ,but bred for money but housed ,loved and genrally looked after well in a methodical breeding program they keep the odd exemplary pup but sell the rest for a very good profit ...

Non working dogs dont interest me at all, they are all bred for reasons that mean nothing to me, so Im not bothered what they do, as long as the dogs are kept well like you say.

[Guest bullterrier]

As the owner of a dual champ AB, i am really interested in who this guy is who can sells bulldogs (any type) for £1500.

 

What breed of bulldog are we talking? What makes him and the poor saps who pay this money think they are worth that? Are the parents titled/tested?

 

At the end of the day, professional built kennels and being worked once a day just means they are livestock - he is obviously a peddlar. The ab suffered with some major peddlars in the past, now the money's gone from them, so are these people....

 

 

as not 100% but think bull means is mate selling British bull dogs have a look on epupz there's thousands some going from £500 to £3000 ...john

[Bulldogman 55]

With a british bulldog £1500 is the start of it, call your vet hen you buy one he can order a new porsche....

[Wild Whippies 11]

With a british bulldog £1500 is the start of it, call your vet hen you buy one he can order a new porsche....

 

Said exactly what I was thinking!

 

Puppy pedlars and dog breeders are no different.

People who breed their dogs for the purpose of their own kennels are not breeders, they are people who have working dogs, racing dogs, show dogs etc and are breeding for their own purpose. Such people would recoil in horror at being called a dog breeder, they prefer to be known by the purpose they work their dogs at.

Truly dedicated individuals don't sell their dogs for extortionate prices because the truth is they'll have spent so much money on their dogs care, nutrition, well being and entering them in competitive events across the country that no amount of money would recoup their costs.

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

In my opinion, there are good and bad in the working dog world, the good ones breed from the best, for 1 reason only, to produce more quality working dogs to do certain jobs and carry on the line ... the other side of the coin, are the people who breed for £££ only, and dont care about the working qualities and sometimes even the husbandry of their dogs is neglected. :thumbdown

 

 

 

What about the folk that DO care about the working ability of their dogs etc etc etc but also breed them for coin

working dogs should be bred for the right reasons, to create working dogs, for work. If that is the case, then all good in my opinion. ... just my opinions mate.

Its crap to see dogs that should exist to do a job or jobs, end up in pet homes or even worse with people who think they are 'nice looking' and start breeding for looks n shit like that. Only a fecking peddler would sell a dog to scumbag homes, or pet homes. You see ads saying 'work, show or pet' ... f**k off, who the hel would breed a working breed and come out with shit like that, only someone who doesnt give a shit about where the pups end up.

 

Imagine if all working dogs were free of charge as pups... then maybe folk would only breed for the right reasons

[gnasher16 30,873]

gnasher his bulldogs arnt working dogs lol ,he also has working dogs too ,as i stated but you wouldnt get one of those pups off him ,now I already know the answer but wanted the thread to carry on to hear peoples view .

I asked if there was NO money in it would you keep the bulldogs he answered NO. hes a stright guy there looked after well but its for money,He seems to differentiate between his bulldogs and working dogs

but he dosent sell any of his working dogs ,Double standards everyone will have an opinon

 

 

Even worse then !...so he,s breeding fashion items for financial gain,tell him to get a job and stop prostituting his animals out.....to me its pretty self explannatory,if the man likes working dogs why is he f****n around with good for nothing british bulldogs....dont take much working out does it

Edited November 3, 2010 by gnasher16

[Guest clash]

my friend has profesionally built kennells and they open on to a field there all excercised once a day and the working dogs he has are really worked ,but and this is a big but if those dogs he breeds as a cottage industry (bulldogs)wernt worth as much would he bother the answer is NO but does it make him a peddler ,?

As hes providing the same service a farmer does with show cherolis bulls or show chickens they both give the animals a good standard of life and make money out of there hobby .

My very good friend shows & is a qualified judge for kc bulldogs. I also know another lad who is similar.

They both have 1st class,professionally built kennels. Very nice houses,all paid for. 2g a pup & whatever litters a yr & i'm sure i would be as well off. Soon as them bitches have been made full use of,too old or had too many sections,they take pride in saying that they are giving a bitch away FREE.

All i used to hear was the size of bone & head,on a pup which was not even 2 week old. Fantastic pup etc etc. They can tell a ch before their eyes are fcukin open. These lads are so so apart from working dog owners,its unbelievable. Don't be taken in by any other motivation,other than making money.

He showed me the letter all the breed clubs recieved on the change in direction of breeding them dogs. Has anything changed ? Absolutely not. Why would they change the appearance of a breed that sells for so much money,for a prospective buyer to say,no thanks...............too leggy,too fine in bone,head not great etc etc.

I've seen kennel blindness on a lot of lads yards over the years,but these breeders are knock outs.

Strange thing is that my pal agrees with most all working dog views,but won't admit to being a peddler. It won't change our friendship,but we talk less & less on the dogs.

[BULL 100]

my friend has profesionally built kennells and they open on to a field there all excercised once a day and the working dogs he has are really worked ,but and this is a big but if those dogs he breeds as a cottage industry (bulldogs)wernt worth as much would he bother the answer is NO but does it make him a peddler ,?

As hes providing the same service a farmer does with show cherolis bulls or show chickens they both give the animals a good standard of life and make money out of there hobby .

My very good friend shows & is a qualified judge for kc bulldogs. I also know another lad who is similar.

They both have 1st class,professionally built kennels. Very nice houses,all paid for. 2g a pup & whatever litters a yr & i'm sure i would be as well off. Soon as them bitches have been made full use of,too old or had too many sections,they take pride in saying that they are giving a bitch away FREE.

All i used to hear was the size of bone & head,on a pup which was not even 2 week old. Fantastic pup etc etc. They can tell a ch before their eyes are fcukin open. These lads are so so apart from working dog owners,its unbelievable. Don't be taken in by any other motivation,other than making money.

He showed me the letter all the breed clubs recieved on the change in direction of breeding them dogs. Has anything changed ? Absolutely not. Why would they change the appearance of a breed that sells for so much money,for a prospective buyer to say,no thanks...............too leggy,too fine in bone,head not great etc etc.

I've seen kennel blindness on a lot of lads yards over the years,but these breeders are knock outs.

Strange thing is that my pal agrees with most all working dog views,but won't admit to being a peddler. It won't change our friendship,but we talk less & less on the dogs.

your completly right there.

[BULL 100]

gnasher his bulldogs arnt working dogs lol ,he also has working dogs too ,as i stated but you wouldnt get one of those pups off him ,now I already know the answer but wanted the thread to carry on to hear peoples view .

I asked if there was NO money in it would you keep the bulldogs he answered NO. hes a stright guy there looked after well but its for money,He seems to differentiate between his bulldogs and working dogs

but he dosent sell any of his working dogs ,Double standards everyone will have an opinon

 

 

Even worse then !...so he,s breeding fashion items for financial gain,tell him to get a job and stop prostituting his animals out.....to me its pretty self explannatory,if the man likes working dogs why is he f****n around with good for nothing british bulldogs....dont take much working out does it

oh ive already worked it out as i stated ,its no big suprise as hes completly truthfull about it ,I just wanted your views on it mine I already have mine. On a personal level Which YOU couldnt comment on as you dont know him hes a top bloke imo with a very good job how do you think he lives in a detatached house with land and proffesionally built kennnels .Yes I know this will grip your shit even more not only is he a dammn puppy peddler but hes a rich one lol.

Listen im not defending him he can do that himself ,I just keep seeing a forum off people jumping on the band wagon screaming puppy pedlar at everyone who has a litter and wanted to see our views on what a peddlar is.

[Ideation 8,216]

In my opinion, there are good and bad in the working dog world, the good ones breed from the best, for 1 reason only, to produce more quality working dogs to do certain jobs and carry on the line ... the other side of the coin, are the people who breed for £££ only, and dont care about the working qualities and sometimes even the husbandry of their dogs is neglected. :thumbdown

 

 

 

What about the folk that DO care about the working ability of their dogs etc etc etc but also breed them for coin

working dogs should be bred for the right reasons, to create working dogs, for work. If that is the case, then all good in my opinion. ... just my opinions mate.

Its crap to see dogs that should exist to do a job or jobs, end up in pet homes or even worse with people who think they are 'nice looking' and start breeding for looks n shit like that. Only a fecking peddler would sell a dog to scumbag homes, or pet homes. You see ads saying 'work, show or pet' ... f**k off, who the hel would breed a working breed and come out with shit like that, only someone who doesnt give a shit about where the pups end up.

 

Imagine if all working dogs were free of charge as pups... then maybe folk would only breed for the right reasons

 

I totally agree with what you are saying mate. I was just wondering, if there was someone with a couple of very good lines of dogs, which were very much sought after for their working ability and they were tested etc before being bred from, and there was a queue of people desperate for pups from this guy and he was breeding them and selling them and supporting himself from selling pups, but pups that were bred for working ability. . . . . is that person still a peddler?

 

As for the last sentence. . . i think if all working dogs were free of charge then a lot of idiots would just take them on a whim and you would end up with just as many problems. It involves people, so by default it will end up involving the wrong people for the wrong reasons somewhere down the line.

[dpb82uk 138]

i carnt see y useless dogs that have no job ther good at apart from turning food in to shit are sold for £1000 and moor and working dogs that are bread well and are good at serton jobs go for as little as £50 and yer your mates a peddler the only reson he looks after the dogs he as got is so thay will breed and he can make sum £££ off the pups he wood prob get rid off them bull dogs and start breeding sumthing els exspensif if the price of them bulldogs droped to £150 a pup and you all no this its all about £££ to sum :thumbdown:

[BULL 100]

i carnt see y useless dogs that have no job ther good at apart from turning food in to shit are sold for £1000 and moor and working dogs that are bread well and are good at serton jobs go for as little as £50 and yer your mates a peddler the only reson he looks after the dogs he as got is so thay will breed and he can make sum £££ off the pups he wood prob get rid off them bull dogs and start breeding sumthing els exspensif if the price of them bulldogs droped to £150 a pup and you all no this its all about £££ to sum :thumbdown:

your right there,but. why is it there are so many working dogs or dare i say it CHEAP dogs not looked after pushed from piller to post or shot ,do you not think it has somthing to do with the fact that as you say you might get a cheap worker for £50 that bitch after a bit of bullshite on here becomes a super dog and is then bred and pups sold for "£200" each lot of money to some people.

The point im making is the working dogs being cheap to buy opens the field up to alot more people almost anyone can afford £50 ,which leads to being not worth much subcosiously

[BULL 100]

MY TAKE ON IT .

 

Breeder carrying on there line for further advancment in the strain ,and for the provision of a new pup of the type needed, to be placed in a good working home or kept if needed and worked until needed for further advancment to the line .To keep a level head and cull humanley excess or damaged pups.

 

 

This is just my take on it,

 

And we all have different needs in the dogs we keep ,some bushing,lamping,groundwork horses for courses but after keeping a line that is perfect for you ! after years of breeding and culling litters hard there must be nothing worse than a couple of unforseen accidents or deaths that could see your line finished !!so i belive there is a need to breed maybe for a constingency plan as long as they go to a good home with work.

 

Thats my view on working dogs ,

 

non workers i think have there place as pets /house dogs show dogs as belive it or not there are people who can afford expensive luxerys as £1000 dogs and give them an extremly lavish life. and would be appalled by somone going rabbiting for instance ,

I dont agree with puppy farms but somone who breeds these £1000 dogs for advancement of the breed with a finiancial insentive if on a proper breeding program they are in a lucrative market.

and I suppose they have there place too.