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[all.rounder 3]

was out lamping last night with my mate and his whippet/greyhound dog.the dog started to hunt up by its self the we fcuker wouldn't come over nearer us for about 15 minutes it was really frustrating.the dog is 13 months old and my mate says it dose the same when he takes it for walks.is their any way of getting this out of it.the dog just blanks him out.

[TAXI DRIVER 551]

You`re asking for trouble letting an untrained dog like that off the lead.Get your mate to train him the basic obedience commands first mate.

[Guest Buttermilk]

get it a zapp colar and zapp it [bANNED TEXT] it fcuks off it wont leave ya side then

 

 

Alternatively, he could try training the dog properly and getting his recall 100% before he takes a young adolescent dog out onto the fields at night.

 

Edit: I make 'liver cake' when training a pup.

It is irresistible to dogs and ensures they don't want to leave your side and it really helps with recall training.

I can PM you the recipe if you like...and it's cheaper than an electric collar too.

It also ensures the dog obeys your recall because he loves you and not because he's shit scared of you.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Buttermilk

[taz2010 1,297]

back to basics get the recall sortd before anything mate or you will have nothing but trouble

[Dunkanon 380]

get it a zapp colar and zapp it [bANNED TEXT] it fcuks off it wont leave ya side then

 

I agree with Buttermilk, why not just spend some time training the dog, shock collar seems a bit excessive.

[Ideation 8,217]

get it a zapp colar and zapp it [bANNED TEXT] it fcuks off it wont leave ya side then

 

 

Alternatively, he could try training the dog properly and getting his recall 100% before he takes a young adolescent dog out onto the fields at night.

 

Edit: I make 'liver cake' when training a pup.

It is irresistible to dogs and ensures they don't want to leave your side and it really helps with recall training.

I can PM you the recipe if you like...and it's cheaper than an electric collar too.

It also ensures the dog obeys your recall because he loves you and not because he's shit scared of you.

 

 

I don't agree with making a dog shit scared of you, but i also dont think 'love' is a particularly good motivator for obedience. It's a dog, not a person, a hierarchical pack structure where you are the boss and what you say goes is what is needed. That does not mean you must 'scare the shit out of it', but it cant all be about treats and rewards, a certain firmness/hardness must be employed. The dog must not think about obeying and then do so out of love, the dog must never think about not obeying, it must become second nature to just do what you say when you say it.

[Malt 379]

get it a zapp colar and zapp it [bANNED TEXT] it fcuks off it wont leave ya side then

 

 

Alternatively, he could try training the dog properly and getting his recall 100% before he takes a young adolescent dog out onto the fields at night.

 

Edit: I make 'liver cake' when training a pup.

It is irresistible to dogs and ensures they don't want to leave your side and it really helps with recall training.

I can PM you the recipe if you like...and it's cheaper than an electric collar too.

It also ensures the dog obeys your recall because he loves you and not because he's shit scared of you.

 

 

I don't agree with making a dog shit scared of you, but i also dont think 'love' is a particularly good motivator for obedience. It's a dog, not a person, a hierarchical pack structure where you are the boss and what you say goes is what is needed. That does not mean you must 'scare the shit out of it', but it cant all be about treats and rewards, a certain firmness/hardness must be employed. The dog must not think about obeying and then do so out of love, the dog must never think about not obeying, it must become second nature to just do what you say when you say it.

 

[BIG_SLIM 17]

Electric shock collar. Problem sorted in a couple of nights

[bird 10,014]

get it a zapp colar and zapp it [bANNED TEXT] it fcuks off it wont leave ya side then

 

 

Alternatively, he could try training the dog properly and getting his recall 100% before he takes a young adolescent dog out onto the fields at night.

 

Edit: I make 'liver cake' when training a pup.

It is irresistible to dogs and ensures they don't want to leave your side and it really helps with recall training.

I can PM you the recipe if you like...and it's cheaper than an electric collar too.

It also ensures the dog obeys your recall because he loves you and not because he's shit scared of you.

 

 

I don't agree with making a dog shit scared of you, but i also dont think 'love' is a particularly good motivator for obedience. It's a dog, not a person, a hierarchical pack structure where you are the boss and what you say goes is what is needed. That does not mean you must 'scare the shit out of it', but it cant all be about treats and rewards, a certain firmness/hardness must be employed. The dog must not think about obeying and then do so out of love, the dog must never think about not obeying, it must become second nature to just do what you say when you say it.

 

 

 

spot on , the key is (firm +kind) being to soft or to hard is a waste of time, more so the last one , if the dog is scared of you it wont do feck all for you. So what ever it does wrong, just make it do it right even if you have to 6-8 times, always finish with the dog doing whats its told, then let it have play about patience is what we all need, and we all lack it at times.

[Guest Buttermilk]

Sorry forgot I was on THL ....and did think afterwards that 'love' may have been the wrong word to use amongst all you big hard dogmen.

Maybe better words would be 'respect' and 'idolise'. My dogs do love me though...they worship me. And I like it that way.

Electric collars are a lazy man's tool. I realise there may be exceptions to this ...but on the whole I feel that electric collars are used by people who can't be bothered to put in the time and effort needed to train a dog up properly.

They like the short, sharp fix that involves mimimum effort on their part.

Each to their own...

[Ideation 8,217]

get it a zapp colar and zapp it [bANNED TEXT] it fcuks off it wont leave ya side then

 

 

Alternatively, he could try training the dog properly and getting his recall 100% before he takes a young adolescent dog out onto the fields at night.

 

Edit: I make 'liver cake' when training a pup.

It is irresistible to dogs and ensures they don't want to leave your side and it really helps with recall training.

I can PM you the recipe if you like...and it's cheaper than an electric collar too.

It also ensures the dog obeys your recall because he loves you and not because he's shit scared of you.

 

 

I don't agree with making a dog shit scared of you, but i also dont think 'love' is a particularly good motivator for obedience. It's a dog, not a person, a hierarchical pack structure where you are the boss and what you say goes is what is needed. That does not mean you must 'scare the shit out of it', but it cant all be about treats and rewards, a certain firmness/hardness must be employed. The dog must not think about obeying and then do so out of love, the dog must never think about not obeying, it must become second nature to just do what you say when you say it.

 

 

 

spot on , the key is (firm +kind) being to soft or to hard is a waste of time, more so the last one , if the dog is scared of you it wont do feck all for you. So what ever it does wrong, just make it do it right even if you have to 6-8 times, always finish with the dog doing whats its told, then let it have play about patience is what we all need, and we all lack it at times.

 

Spot on mate - for me it's all about being CONSISTENT and FIRM. It's the former that many find hard. Keep correcting the pup over and over until you wear him down and he does it. . . . repeat, then reward and knock off and play. When they get bored they can play up - even if it's something they seem to be fine with like retrieving. It;s about knowing when to quit and when to have another go. . . . . . . .and as for the patience thing. . . . . . . you just gotta learn when NOT to try some training. . . . . . if your in a shitty mood, just stick to playing.

[Ideation 8,217]

Sorry forgot I was on THL ....and did think afterwards that 'love' may have been the wrong word to use amongst all you big hard dogmen.

Maybe better words would be 'respect' and 'idolise'. My dogs do love me though...they worship me. And I like it that way.

Electric collars are a lazy man's tool. I realise there may be exceptions to this ...but on the whole I feel that electric collars are used by people who can't be bothered to put in the time and effort needed to train a dog up properly.

They like the short, sharp fix that involves mimimum effort on their part.

Each to their own...

 

 

Wasn't advocating use of an electric collar, you don't need to inflict any paint to be firm.

 

Don't be patronizing, it's got f**k all to do with being 'big' or 'hard' or any kind of gender division, love has it's place. . . . .. . i love my dogs. But do they love me? Who knows. . . . . . . i can't exactly ask them can i? They may lick my face, jump on me and come for attention and snuggles, but that is exactly what they would do to the alpha dominant pack leader. . . . . the same leader they would kill / drive off and replace if he became weak. I think you hit the nail on the head with respect.

 

And i agree with you on the shock collars - a lazy mans tool unless being used to sort out already established deviant behavior - like stock killing.

[Guest Buttermilk]

Sorry forgot I was on THL ....and did think afterwards that 'love' may have been the wrong word to use amongst all you big hard dogmen.

Maybe better words would be 'respect' and 'idolise'. My dogs do love me though...they worship me. And I like it that way.

Electric collars are a lazy man's tool. I realise there may be exceptions to this ...but on the whole I feel that electric collars are used by people who can't be bothered to put in the time and effort needed to train a dog up properly.

They like the short, sharp fix that involves mimimum effort on their part.

Each to their own...

 

 

Wasn't advocating use of an electric collar, you don't need to inflict any paint to be firm.

 

Don't be patronizing, it's got f**k all to do with being 'big' or 'hard' or any kind of gender division, love has it's place. . . . .. . i love my dogs. But do they love me? Who knows. . . . . . . i can't exactly ask them can i? They may lick my face, jump on me and come for attention and snuggles, but that is exactly what they would do to the alpha dominant pack leader. . . . . the same leader they would kill / drive off and replace if he became weak. I think you hit the nail on the head with respect.

 

And i agree with you on the shock collars - a lazy mans tool unless being used to sort out already established deviant behavior - like stock killing.

 

 

I'm sure they do love you.

[feed the bear 13]

Sorry forgot I was on THL ....and did think afterwards that 'love' may have been the wrong word to use amongst all you big hard dogmen.

Maybe better words would be 'respect' and 'idolise'. My dogs do love me though...they worship me. And I like it that way.

Electric collars are a lazy man's tool. I realise there may be exceptions to this ...but on the whole I feel that electric collars are used by people who can't be bothered to put in the time and effort needed to train a dog up properly.

They like the short, sharp fix that involves mimimum effort on their part.

Each to their own...

 

 

Wasn't advocating use of an electric collar, you don't need to inflict any paint to be firm.

 

Don't be patronizing, it's got f**k all to do with being 'big' or 'hard' or any kind of gender division, love has it's place. . . . .. . i love my dogs. But do they love me? Who knows. . . . . . . i can't exactly ask them can i? They may lick my face, jump on me and come for attention and snuggles, but that is exactly what they would do to the alpha dominant pack leader. . . . . the same leader they would kill / drive off and replace if he became weak. I think you hit the nail on the head with respect.

 

And i agree with you on the shock collars - a lazy mans tool unless being used to sort out already established deviant behavior - like stock killing.

 

I agree..... no need to inflict any PAINT!!! I do think a good doze of cresote around the ears helps though...

[Ideation 8,217]

Sorry forgot I was on THL ....and did think afterwards that 'love' may have been the wrong word to use amongst all you big hard dogmen.

Maybe better words would be 'respect' and 'idolise'. My dogs do love me though...they worship me. And I like it that way.

Electric collars are a lazy man's tool. I realise there may be exceptions to this ...but on the whole I feel that electric collars are used by people who can't be bothered to put in the time and effort needed to train a dog up properly.

They like the short, sharp fix that involves mimimum effort on their part.

Each to their own...

 

 

Wasn't advocating use of an electric collar, you don't need to inflict any paint to be firm.

 

Don't be patronizing, it's got f**k all to do with being 'big' or 'hard' or any kind of gender division, love has it's place. . . . .. . i love my dogs. But do they love me? Who knows. . . . . . . i can't exactly ask them can i? They may lick my face, jump on me and come for attention and snuggles, but that is exactly what they would do to the alpha dominant pack leader. . . . . the same leader they would kill / drive off and replace if he became weak. I think you hit the nail on the head with respect.

 

And i agree with you on the shock collars - a lazy mans tool unless being used to sort out already established deviant behavior - like stock killing.

 

I agree..... no need to inflict any PAINT!!! I do think a good doze of cresote around the ears helps though...

 

Ronseal does it for me . . . . . . . does what it says on the tin.