#1poacher 8 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 hi heard on the news today that the red tailed kites that had been let of in cumbria last month a small percentage of them have been found poisoned and some shot pluss a couple of buzzards shot round by aglionby i will say there is an estate erm wonder who got that one anyway the RSPB are asking for tougher punishments whats ya views Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Why release them when there are pleanty already. 50 kites it the sky above one feeding station to draw in tourists and mugs is NOT natural. They are majestic birds to some, and feckin vermin to others. I am of the latter opinion. Just an opinion, nothing more nothing less. FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,855 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Why release them when there are pleanty already. 50 kites it the sky above one feeding station to draw in tourists and mugs is NOT natural. They are majestic birds to some, and feckin vermin to others. I am of the latter opinion. Just an opinion, nothing more nothing less. FTB When and how do kites cause a problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Have you ever witnessed a kite over a grouse moor. I doubt it. I'm not saying much on the matter, we all have our opinions. Its just some are more informed than others. FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,855 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Have you ever witnessed a kite over a grouse moor. I doubt it. I'm not saying much on the matter, we all have our opinions. Its just some are more informed than others. FTB No I havnt and I worked on a grouse moor. Im not argueing or doubting you pal Iv been a keeper on a moor and have alot of pheasant poults now as an amateur keeper just never in areas with kites. I never knew kites caused a problem at all and dont know of any moors that have had em. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Kites are scavengers. Much like buzzards. But they are also opportunists. As are all raptors. They can and do take young birds. The biggest problem they create is disturbance factor. Disturbed grouse are almost impossible to drive and predict. I am not saying there is no place for them. There is. But its not on moors and its not in the volumes those rspb twats would like to see(50 plus circling the sky at one time). Hope that painted a better picture for you mate. And sorry for being a bit sharp, its quite a strong subject to me. FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Red kites were as popular a sight as the common crow a few hundred years ago in the UK. Improved sanitation and countryside management led to a dramatic fall in their numbers... I like seeing them back, but then again there is a need for careful control of predators in a managed environment like the vast majority of our countryside is.. It's a tough one to comment on really... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,855 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Kites are scavengers. Much like buzzards. But they are also opportunists. As are all raptors. They can and do take young birds. The biggest problem they create is disturbance factor. Disturbed grouse are almost impossible to drive and predict. I am not saying there is no place for them. There is. But its not on moors and its not in the volumes those rspb twats would like to see(50 plus circling the sky at one time). Hope that painted a better picture for you mate. And sorry for being a bit sharp, its quite a strong subject to me. FTB Iv only seen them down south and didnt know they had been released up north or scotland in such numbers, i was also unaware of any in moorland areas but thats maybe just cos I live in my own little micro-cosom! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,855 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Red kites were as popular a sight as the common crow a few hundred years ago in the UK. Improved sanitation and countryside management led to a dramatic fall in their numbers... I like seeing them back, but then again there is a need for careful control of predators in a managed environment like the vast majority of our countryside is.. It's a tough one to comment on really... I believe they were found in big flocks in towns and cities scavaging in the streets like gulls do today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Red kites were as popular a sight as the common crow a few hundred years ago in the UK. Improved sanitation and countryside management led to a dramatic fall in their numbers... I like seeing them back, but then again there is a need for careful control of predators in a managed environment like the vast majority of our countryside is.. It's a tough one to comment on really... I believe they were found in big flocks in towns and cities scavaging in the streets like gulls do today. Must have been some sight! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Aye there releasing them all over. But that's the RSPB ethos. The sky has to be full of them for it to be 'sustainable' when in actual fact its about as unsustainable as it gets. FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
byron 1,191 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Aye there releasing them all over. But that's the RSPB ethos. The sky has to be full of them for it to be 'sustainable' when in actual fact its about as unsustainable as it gets. FTB any HEN HARRIERS ABOUT..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,855 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Aye there releasing them all over. But that's the RSPB ethos. The sky has to be full of them for it to be 'sustainable' when in actual fact its about as unsustainable as it gets. FTB any HEN HARRIERS ABOUT..... no they have eaten all the grouse and starved themselves to death. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
borntoshoot 1 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 (edited) Red kites were as popular a sight as the common crow a few hundred years ago in the UK. Improved sanitation and countryside management led to a dramatic fall in their numbers... I like seeing them back, but then again there is a need for careful control of predators in a managed environment like the vast majority of our countryside is.. It's a tough one to comment on really... I believe they were found in big flocks in towns and cities scavaging in the streets like gulls do today. Must have been some sight! It is an absolutely amazing sight still to me after living 2 miles from the estate the first breeding pair was released in south england going on 30 years ago. I have lived here for going on 7 years now and its still a great sight. Its not un-common to see over 200 circling around the butchers or peoples gardens where meat scraps are chucked out for them and also when here is roadkill lying about it isnt there for long. The estate i beat and help on is always swarming with them but they dont cause a problem. If anything they do us a favour by removing dead poults and vermin from the shoot. IF THEY TAKE A LIVE BIRD it will only be an injured or sick bird that cant get away so this also does us a favour by reducing risk of disease. Edited September 16, 2010 by borntoshoot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 It is an absolutely amazing sight still to me after living 2 miles from the estate the first breeding pair was released in south england going on 30 years ago. I have lived here for going on 7 years now and its still a great sight. Its not un-common to see over 200 circling around the butchers or peoples gardens where meat scraps are chucked out for them and also when here is roadkill lying about it isnt there for long. The estate i beat and help on is always swarming with them but they dont cause a problem. If anything they do us a favour by removing dead poults and vermin from the shoot. IF THEY TAKE A LIVE BIRD it will only be an injured or sick bird that cant get away so this also does us a favour by reducing risk of disease. I've seen them all over Mid Wales. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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