deer dog training

[quicksilver 0]

I am starting to traing a GWP bitch for deer tracking and was wondering if anyone would have some froozen blood and a piece of skin that they could let me have ( I will arrange payment for postage etc) . I am in n. ireland and would prefer to pickup and get a chat with someone local if possible.

 

thanks in advance

keith

[waidmann 105]

if you have trouble getting blood from deer then use cattle blood(from a slaughter house,make sure they dont put anything in it though).

 

most training is done with this,alteratly you can buy a powder which needs diluting(i have always used cattle blood so i don't know how much it is or where to get the powder).

are you starting the dog young? dripping/dabbing?

 

waidmann

[flytie 1]

I carry a re-sealable freezer bag with about a teaspoon of salt in it, then collect the blood from the carcass. You can freeze it and thaw it out when needed.

 

ft

[quicksilver 0]

thanks for the replies,

 

The dog is about 14 months now, i have read the book (soft back) by guy wallace regarding tracking etc and i plan to use it as a start. I am workinn alone at the moment so i guess most of my information will come from the book or net. When you talk about dipping and dabbing do you mean like a soaked cloth dipped every few meters etc until the end of the trail.

 

I will get some blood from a slaughter house and give it a try.

 

regards

keith

[collieman 45]

make the blood trail easy for the dog to start getting harder as he gets more confident I try to have the wind blowing away so the dog has to get its head down good luck

[flytie 1]

thanks for the replies,

 

The dog is about 14 months now, i have read the book (soft back) by guy wallace regarding tracking etc and i plan to use it as a start. I am workinn alone at the moment so i guess most of my information will come from the book or net. When you talk about dipping and dabbing do you mean like a soaked cloth dipped every few meters etc until the end of the trail.

 

I will get some blood from a slaughter house and give it a try.

 

regards

keith

 

QS, I use, and try not to wet yourself laughing at this, a 15ft salmon rod so I can hold the soaked rag (and weight) at a distance from my scent and make a drag for the dog to follow. This allows you to go from a full drag, to a touch here and there. She is only a little black lab, but she got the hang of it.

 

I find the biggest problem with her is her wagging tail, it seems very long and noticeable when you are trying to creep up on deer.

 

ft

edit, I have used a skin in a hessian sack dragged earlier in the day by me, but found this was too easy for her to follow.

Edited March 29, 2010 by flytie

[waidmann 105]

dripping= a bottle of blood dripped onto a trail(get some one else to do the trail laying,as the dog may follow your scent and not the blood)

 

dabbing= a walking stick with a bottle fixed to the top.the fluid runs through a tube into a sponge which is dabbed on the floor.

 

well worthwhile using trail shoes as well later on,deer feet attached to a kind of shoe(i normally only use one as they are not easy to walk with ).

 

to start the dog off make the trail straight on a natural path and put bits of food etc along the trail,not forgetting to wound the ground at start and somewhere along the way(wound beds,a little puddle of blood with a nice bit of food in.ideally the dog should "mark" these.at every turn later you should have a wound bed).

 

allthough forbidden here some will use a live animal in a cage at the end of the trail(rat/rabbit/guinee pig) to "hot a dog up" for the work,only do this if the dog needs it! or he will drag you through at a pace you don't need.

alot of training but well worth the effort when a mate can lay a trail over 800 meters and you can follow it blind behind the dog

always get someone else to lay the trail once you have the dog"nose down" marking it with ribbon/tissue so it can be found.never use the same trails too soon again(a couple of weeks should be between uses).

don't rush the dog into natural trails(never start these trails too early,at least an hour should be waited.if in thick woods better two or three).

once you start you will love the successs with your dog,then you are hooked

if i can help at all then feel free to pm me.

waidmann

[quicksilver 0]

Cheers waidmann

 

where about are you located? . I am looking forward to getting started with dog, she shows a lot of promise in other areas but I want to get her trailing before I work any further on rough shooting etc.

[waidmann 105]

the midlands bud(telford).

i have never had any trouble running the trailing paralell to other stuff(retrieve,bushing etc).

the important thing is to have a ritual for the blood work( dog down,YOU inspect the site of impact for sign of shot location etc,THEN fit the trailing collar and long line,then he can inspect the "soi" marking blood,bone etc and then give him the command to start work -"trail on!" or whatever you wish to use,making sure its not like the command used to bush etc).

if you want to get him to "sound dead" or use the "bringsel" then start straight away(both are an extension of retrieve training and good for very tight cover you can't get into).

 

atb

waidmann

[terrys 0]

I am starting to traing a GWP bitch for deer tracking and was wondering if anyone would have some froozen blood and a piece of skin that they could let me have ( I will arrange payment for postage etc) . I am in n. ireland and would prefer to pickup and get a chat with someone local if possible.

 

thanks in advance

keith

 

Hello Mate

 

I have no experience in deer traccking with a GWP, but I do have one myself and she is excellent for falconry,shooting, ferrteing and bushing with the lurchers.

 

I am not a professional dog trainer but if need any advice on general tarining I can help you if you like.

 

You can PM me and I will give you my tele no.

 

They are very easy to train - my little bitch pionts muntjac and foxes but I have never trained her to do so. She will piont anything that sits for her !!

 

Big up the GWP's !!!

 

Terrys

[quicksilver 0]

the midlands bud(telford).

i have never had any trouble running the trailing paralell to other stuff(retrieve,bushing etc).

the important thing is to have a ritual for the blood work( dog down,YOU inspect the site of impact for sign of shot location etc,THEN fit the trailing collar and long line,then he can inspect the "soi" marking blood,bone etc and then give him the command to start work -"trail on!" or whatever you wish to use,making sure its not like the command used to bush etc).

if you want to get him to "sound dead" or use the "bringsel" then start straight away(both are an extension of retrieve training and good for very tight cover you can't get into).

 

atb

waidmann

myself and a couple of friends are staying in telford for the midlands game fair later this year, i will give you a shout nearer the time and maybe meet up for a chat etc.

 

i should be getting some goat blood this week and will make a start on saturday,

 

regards

keith

[quicksilver 0]

Hello Mate

 

I have no experience in deer traccking with a GWP, but I do have one myself and she is excellent for falconry,shooting, ferrteing and bushing with the lurchers.

 

I am not a professional dog trainer but if need any advice on general tarining I can help you if you like.

 

You can PM me and I will give you my tele no.

 

They are very easy to train - my little bitch pionts muntjac and foxes but I have never trained her to do so. She will piont anything that sits for her !!

 

Big up the GWP's !!!

 

Terrys

 

i find them a pleasure to be around ( most of the time), mine seems to pick things up very easy including the pointing, i need to get her a little more steady on the point but then the lack of game in my area doesnt help at this next stage. I hope to make good progress during the light evenings. Thanks for the offer i will send you a pm

 

keith