open ticket info

[cassshantia 16]

here below is the information which should be included on our application so the feo

have no other way of trying to convince you to get a variation on ticket once you ve had experience with a bullet gun

my situation was i wanted a .22 ,.17 and .243 . my only experience with the above

rifles was with the use with a keeper

i got 2 referees one been the keeper one been my foreman @work and told me to put wording of this on my application and so i did

my feo told me why i wanted a 243 and stated i was into game shooting via a syndicate and wanted to take a role of vermin and deer management (he was not keen ) but as the land is big enough and your well within your rights to own a rifle (they think different )

please put this on you 1st application and you 'll be suprised they cant refuse you

if you do experience problems please get in touch with basc they are excellent on making them look like fools

 

.243(or what ever cal you need) for uses for fox and deer and for zeroing of rifle on ranges and land over which i lawfully have authority to shoot (so this gives you the right to go on land which you have written permission )and you should state that you carry out activities in connection with the management of any estate(ie syndicate member on a shoot etc etc) this again is the ultimate wording for an open ticket

hope this helps

[SportingShooter 0]

Would like to see that tested in other forces apart from North Yorks. My force would not grant an open ticket just because of the wording of an application, regardless of whether BASC is involved or not, they will look at the individuals circumstances rather than their language skills.

[Treacle Trackpad 6]

Would like to see that tested in other forces apart from North Yorks. My force would not grant an open ticket just because of the wording of an application, regardless of whether BASC is involved or not, they will look at the individuals circumstances rather than their language skills.

 

True. We are lucky in N. Yorks, most FAC's are open from the start regardless of how you word your application. Others are not so lucky.

[cassshantia 16]

maybe we are lucky in north yorkshire but you do have a right for a firearms ticket wheather they like it or not and they will do their best to lower your calibre but with any firearm, non is more dangerous than the other as long as you have a back stop wheather it be a air rifle or .308 and lowering your ammo always try that on etc but like i say if you have plenty of permission and you WILL use the rifle they should not bully you into something that you personally req

[black lab 3]

We must be very fortunate up here in Scotland as it's run of the mill as anybody i know it's open, and when you ask for a variation on your ticket 9 times out of 10 they do it there and then, hats of to the police force in Glasgow or maybe i am just lucky, never had a problem

[Treacle Trackpad 6]

maybe we are lucky in north yorkshire but you do have a right for a firearms ticket wheather they like it or not and they will do their best to lower your calibre but with any firearm, non is more dangerous than the other as long as you have a back stop wheather it be a air rifle or .308 and lowering your ammo always try that on etc but like i say if you have plenty of permission and you WILL use the rifle they should not bully you into something that you personally req

 

I sort of agree but it's not a case of what you have a right to, but what you require. If you have a genuine reason to own a particular calibre and amount of ammunition you will have no problems. If you just fancy a .223 or whatever because it is cool and you want 3000 rounds for the sake of it (slight poetic license here) then you will have to justify yourself.

 

Oh, and I would suggest that a .308 is more dangerous than an air rifle, back stop or not

[SportingShooter 0]

maybe we are lucky in north yorkshire but you do have a right for a firearms ticket wheather they like it or not and they will do their best to lower your calibre but with any firearm, non is more dangerous than the other as long as you have a back stop wheather it be a air rifle or .308 and lowering your ammo always try that on etc but like i say if you have plenty of permission and you WILL use the rifle they should not bully you into something that you personally req

 

I sort of agree but it's not a case of what you have a right to, but what you require. If you have a genuine reason to own a particular calibre and amount of ammunition you will have no problems. If you just fancy a .223 or whatever because it is cool and you want 3000 rounds for the sake of it (slight poetic license here) then you will have to justify yourself.

 

Oh, and I would suggest that a .308 is more dangerous than an air rifle, back stop or not

 

I agree with the above

 

You do not have the rightto a Firearms Certificate, you have to provide a Good Reason to acquire it and each Firearm that it covers. If you provide a Good Reason and they refuse, then will have to justify why and if it is for the wrong reason i.e. they just do not want the public to own firearms, then it is illegal practice.

 

A Shotgun Certificate is different in that it is a right of sorts and you have to be proved ineligible to be refused.

 

You appear to be lucky in North Yorkshire

[JonathanL 4]

maybe we are lucky in north yorkshire but you do have a right for a firearms ticket wheather they like it or not and they will do their best to lower your calibre but with any firearm, non is more dangerous than the other as long as you have a back stop wheather it be a air rifle or .308 and lowering your ammo always try that on etc but like i say if you have plenty of permission and you WILL use the rifle they should not bully you into something that you personally req

 

I sort of agree but it's not a case of what you have a right to, but what you require. If you have a genuine reason to own a particular calibre and amount of ammunition you will have no problems. If you just fancy a .223 or whatever because it is cool and you want 3000 rounds for the sake of it (slight poetic license here) then you will have to justify yourself.

 

Oh, and I would suggest that a .308 is more dangerous than an air rifle, back stop or not

 

I agree with the above

 

You do not have the rightto a Firearms Certificate, you have to provide a Good Reason to acquire it and each Firearm that it covers. If you provide a Good Reason and they refuse, then will have to justify why and if it is for the wrong reason i.e. they just do not want the public to own firearms, then it is illegal practice.

 

A Shotgun Certificate is different in that it is a right of sorts and you have to be proved ineligible to be refused.

 

You appear to be lucky in North Yorkshire

 

I disagree here. You do most certainly have a right to a certificate if you meet the ctatutory criteria; good reason, not disqualified under the Act, cops are satisfied that you are not a danger to public safety or the peace, etc.

 

The two certificates are essentially the same in that you have a right to each of them, it's just that there are fewer criteria you have to satisfy in the case of an SGC - the main one being that you do not have to provide "good reason" in law.

 

Your right in law to be issued an FAC comes from sec.27 of the Firearms Act 1968, which says;

 

"

27 Special provisions about firearm certificates

 

[F1(1)A firearm certificate shall be granted where the chief officer of police is satisfied—

 

(a)that the applicant is fit to be entrusted with a firearm to which section 1 of this Act applies and is not a person prohibited by this Act from possessing such a firearm;

 

(b)that he has a good reason for having in his possession, or for purchasing or acquiring, the firearm or ammunition in respect of which the application is made; and

 

©that in all the circumstances the applicant can be permitted to have the firearm or ammunition in his possession without danger to the public safety or to the peace.]"

 

In law the word "shall" is imperative - it is an instruction from Parliament to do something, not merely an authority to do it if you feel like it. If you meet the criteria in subsections (a) to © then a firearm certificate must be issued, there is no freedom for the police to do so. Therefore, you do have a right in law to an FAC. True, it isn't a completely unfettered right, as the section above shows, but very few things are anyway. I mean, you don't have an unfettered right to a driving licence - you have to meet certain criteria like passing a test - so, in effect a firearm certificate is not that different.

 

J.

[Treacle Trackpad 6]

My post was not about the right to have a certificate but the fact that you do not have the right to own a particular firearm unless you have good reason. For instance, you have 10 acres of flat field surrounded on all sides by houses and you want to clear it of rabbits, you don't have the right to a .308 and the police are not being unreasonable by telling you you should look at something else.

 

I use extremes here but hopefully make my point. I don't doubt that everyone is entitled to posess a FAC unless disqualified, my argument was aimed at what firearms you can posess and not expecting to have whatever you want without the old bill putting the mockers on it.

[SportingShooter 0]

 

I disagree here. You do most certainly have a right to a certificate if you meet the ctatutory criteria; good reason, not disqualified under the Act, cops are satisfied that you are not a danger to public safety or the peace, etc.

 

The two certificates are essentially the same in that you have a right to each of them, it's just that there are fewer criteria you have to satisfy in the case of an SGC - the main one being that you do not have to provide "good reason" in law.

 

Your right in law to be issued an FAC comes from sec.27 of the Firearms Act 1968, which says;

 

"

27 Special provisions about firearm certificates

 

[F1(1)A firearm certificate shall be granted where the chief officer of police is satisfied—

 

(a)that the applicant is fit to be entrusted with a firearm to which section 1 of this Act applies and is not a person prohibited by this Act from possessing such a firearm;

 

(b)that he has a good reason for having in his possession, or for purchasing or acquiring, the firearm or ammunition in respect of which the application is made; and

 

©that in all the circumstances the applicant can be permitted to have the firearm or ammunition in his possession without danger to the public safety or to the peace.]"

 

In law the word "shall" is imperative - it is an instruction from Parliament to do something, not merely an authority to do it if you feel like it. If you meet the criteria in subsections (a) to © then a firearm certificate must be issued, there is no freedom for the police to do so. Therefore, you do have a right in law to an FAC. True, it isn't a completely unfettered right, as the section above shows, but very few things are anyway. I mean, you don't have an unfettered right to a driving licence - you have to meet certain criteria like passing a test - so, in effect a firearm certificate is not that different.

 

J.

 

Fair enough. Could have worded it better.

[cassshantia 16]

the original point was the wording of the application and the land you shoot,but i was not up to scratch regarding police authorities req different views on tickets

yes it sounds like we are lucky sorry if im a bit nieve lads just as i got mine passed with open ticket without the fuss

as you stated extremes i was a bit with air rifle and 308 but i do have a point both can be killers if used incorrectly ,back stop a must even for air rifles in certain areas( no accidents with a back stop mate)

all the best to you all and thanks for enlightening me on the points of different regions and police

[SportingShooter 0]

the original point was the wording of the application and the land you shoot,but i was not up to scratch regarding police authorities req different views on tickets

yes it sounds like we are lucky sorry if im a bit nieve lads just as i got mine passed with open ticket without the fuss

as you stated extremes i was a bit with air rifle and 308 but i do have a point both can be killers if used incorrectly ,back stop a must even for air rifles in certain areas( no accidents with a back stop mate)

all the best to you all and thanks for enlightening me on the points of different regions and police

 

Quite right about the Air Rifle or the .308, both can be lethal in the right circumstances Its a shame that all the regions are different and apply the law and regulations differently.

[Deker 3,491]

maybe we are lucky in north yorkshire but you do have a right for a firearms ticket wheather they like it or not and they will do their best to lower your calibre but with any firearm, non is more dangerous than the other as long as you have a back stop wheather it be a air rifle or .308 and lowering your ammo always try that on etc but like i say if you have plenty of permission and you WILL use the rifle they should not bully you into something that you personally req

 

I sort of agree but it's not a case of what you have a right to, but what you require. If you have a genuine reason to own a particular calibre and amount of ammunition you will have no problems. If you just fancy a .223 or whatever because it is cool and you want 3000 rounds for the sake of it (slight poetic license here) then you will have to justify yourself.

 

Oh, and I would suggest that a .308 is more dangerous than an air rifle, back stop or not

 

I agree with the above

 

You do not have the rightto a Firearms Certificate, you have to provide a Good Reason to acquire it and each Firearm that it covers. If you provide a Good Reason and they refuse, then will have to justify why and if it is for the wrong reason i.e. they just do not want the public to own firearms, then it is illegal practice.

 

A Shotgun Certificate is different in that it is a right of sorts and you have to be proved ineligible to be refused.

 

You appear to be lucky in North Yorkshire

 

I disagree here. You do most certainly have a right to a certificate if you meet the ctatutory criteria; good reason, not disqualified under the Act, cops are satisfied that you are not a danger to public safety or the peace, etc.

 

The two certificates are essentially the same in that you have a right to each of them, it's just that there are fewer criteria you have to satisfy in the case of an SGC - the main one being that you do not have to provide "good reason" in law.

 

Your right in law to be issued an FAC comes from sec.27 of the Firearms Act 1968, which says;

 

"

27 Special provisions about firearm certificates

 

[F1(1)A firearm certificate shall be granted where the chief officer of police is satisfied—

 

(a)that the applicant is fit to be entrusted with a firearm to which section 1 of this Act applies and is not a person prohibited by this Act from possessing such a firearm;

 

(b)that he has a good reason for having in his possession, or for purchasing or acquiring, the firearm or ammunition in respect of which the application is made; and

 

©that in all the circumstances the applicant can be permitted to have the firearm or ammunition in his possession without danger to the public safety or to the peace.]"

 

In law the word "shall" is imperative - it is an instruction from Parliament to do something, not merely an authority to do it if you feel like it. If you meet the criteria in subsections (a) to © then a firearm certificate must be issued, there is no freedom for the police to do so. Therefore, you do have a right in law to an FAC. True, it isn't a completely unfettered right, as the section above shows, but very few things are anyway. I mean, you don't have an unfettered right to a driving licence - you have to meet certain criteria like passing a test - so, in effect a firearm certificate is not that different.

 

J.

 

 

I think we are all playing with words here..

 

put VERY VERY simply

 

You have a right to a Shotgun unless the police can show why not!!

 

You have NO right to a firearm unless you can show the police why!!

[The Seeker 3,048]

maybe we are lucky in north yorkshire but you do have a right for a firearms ticket wheather they like it or not and they will do their best to lower your calibre but with any firearm, non is more dangerous than the other as long as you have a back stop wheather it be a air rifle or .308 and lowering your ammo always try that on etc but like i say if you have plenty of permission and you WILL use the rifle they should not bully you into something that you personally req

 

I sort of agree but it's not a case of what you have a right to, but what you require. If you have a genuine reason to own a particular calibre and amount of ammunition you will have no problems. If you just fancy a .223 or whatever because it is cool and you want 3000 rounds for the sake of it (slight poetic license here) then you will have to justify yourself.

 

Oh, and I would suggest that a .308 is more dangerous than an air rifle, back stop or not

 

I agree with the above

 

You do not have the rightto a Firearms Certificate, you have to provide a Good Reason to acquire it and each Firearm that it covers. If you provide a Good Reason and they refuse, then will have to justify why and if it is for the wrong reason i.e. they just do not want the public to own firearms, then it is illegal practice.

 

A Shotgun Certificate is different in that it is a right of sorts and you have to be proved ineligible to be refused.

 

You appear to be lucky in North Yorkshire

 

I disagree here. You do most certainly have a right to a certificate if you meet the ctatutory criteria; good reason, not disqualified under the Act, cops are satisfied that you are not a danger to public safety or the peace, etc.

 

The two certificates are essentially the same in that you have a right to each of them, it's just that there are fewer criteria you have to satisfy in the case of an SGC - the main one being that you do not have to provide "good reason" in law.

 

Your right in law to be issued an FAC comes from sec.27 of the Firearms Act 1968, which says;

 

"

27 Special provisions about firearm certificates

 

[F1(1)A firearm certificate shall be granted where the chief officer of police is satisfied—

 

(a)that the applicant is fit to be entrusted with a firearm to which section 1 of this Act applies and is not a person prohibited by this Act from possessing such a firearm;

 

(b)that he has a good reason for having in his possession, or for purchasing or acquiring, the firearm or ammunition in respect of which the application is made; and

 

©that in all the circumstances the applicant can be permitted to have the firearm or ammunition in his possession without danger to the public safety or to the peace.]"

 

In law the word "shall" is imperative - it is an instruction from Parliament to do something, not merely an authority to do it if you feel like it. If you meet the criteria in subsections (a) to © then a firearm certificate must be issued, there is no freedom for the police to do so. Therefore, you do have a right in law to an FAC. True, it isn't a completely unfettered right, as the section above shows, but very few things are anyway. I mean, you don't have an unfettered right to a driving licence - you have to meet certain criteria like passing a test - so, in effect a firearm certificate is not that different.

 

J.

 

 

I think we are all playing with words here..

 

put VERY VERY simply

 

You have a right to a Shotgun unless the police can show why not!!

 

You have NO right to a firearm unless you can show the police why!!

 

Yep Deker that my understanding too

[JonathanL 4]

 

 

I think we are all playing with words here..

 

put VERY VERY simply

 

You have a right to a Shotgun unless the police can show why not!!

 

You have NO right to a firearm unless you can show the police why!!

 

But you still have that right at law. You still have to show the police that you have a right to a SGC; for instance you have to show that you are not a prohibited person, are not a danger to public safety or the peace, haven't got problems with drugs or alcohol, etc. You have to show all these things for an FAC but you just need to show one more thing along with it - "good reason" in law.

 

Essentially, the police have to show exactly the same thing to refuse an FAC application as they do a SGC application - it's just that you have to state your reason up front.

 

You cannot start off from the position that you have no right to an FAC because this gives the impression that it is somehow in the gift of the police - which it isn't. If you have no right to an FAC because of the criteria which you have to meet then it is equally true to say that you have no right to a SGC becauase of the criteria you have to meet. It's just that the criteria are slightly different. It's probably true that fewer people may be able to meet the criteria for an FAC but, the bottom line is that if you do meet those criteria then you have a right in law to be granted either.

Edited February 16, 2010 by JonathanL