you prob read few times Moll about Tug a 1x staffx grey, he was the 1st bullx grey 26in 70 odd lb black+brindle+white i ever seen work, and he just feckin awesome he kill foxes like rats as a jack would, catch rabbits anything on 4 legs was game to him, lol and few lads on here seen him work, he was still going great at 10 years old .He came from some very old lines from the black country, and some of his pups were good dogs.He was great with people and ok with other dogs wouldnt start nout, but christ could he finish it i know what you mean Moll some 1xs do seem bit differnt temps to