maybe so Dell, but the differnce is that most minshaw are used as just lamping dogs, and colliexs are more day+night dogs. And the point i was making get the right collie x grey like i think i have can do just as good at the lamping game as most minshaws types, even though he wasnt bed just as lamping dog.
i agree they are bred for long nights and for there stamina. But to say they dont work the day is beyond me. And by day i dont think you intended hare coursing. I think you intended general hunting up or ferreting. I dont agree with that pal