Wilf we can agree on one thing people like ISIS Alquaida and a lot of the islamic mullahs like Anjum Choudhry , Abu Hamza , and many other radicals need eliminating The West also wants to change its policies of regime support and regime change in the Middle East we can clean our own rubbish, The two holding the Hostage in France I would slot them and if need be the sole hostage with them you are right how do you negotiate with Mad Dogs but these kind of dogs are on all sides and in all societies. Politicians as far as I can see are where the majority of the problems are the mass intergratio