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On 21/05/2018 at 04:38, Aussie Whip said:
I do the 2 weeks freeze then half, quarter or whole with some of the skin on and heads,no need to cut up into bits with pups of any age.They know how to deal with it.Best calcium source.I like to take some of the skin off with winter rabbits.
They reckon rabbit fed whole (skin and all) is great for dogs and reduces the need for wormer.
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Lamb hearts are offal and I think can make the dog stools looser.
A variety of meats needs to be given, as well as roughly 10% bone, and 10% offal (5% liver and 5% other organ/secreting organs). This combo should ensure the dog has everything it needs. I found heart makes mine loose. Adding more bone will firm them up and more offal makes them looser if needed.
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1 hour ago, skycat said:
If you are feeding bone, which you are, Calcium supplements would be unnecessary. In fact, there is some evidence to suggest that too much calcium may be detrimental, and may cause kidney stones. Personally, the only supplements I feed are Dorwest Herbs Keepers Mix, but only a couple of times a week. And yes, as has already been said, nettles are good. You can dry the fresh leaves in a slow oven and crush once brittle; that way you can keep a stock in a jar all year round. Just be careful not to pick old nettles or those which might have been sprayed with herbicide. Just pick the tender top leaves.
Is this the same kinda stuff?
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1 hour ago, skycat said:
If you are feeding bone, which you are, Calcium supplements would be unnecessary. In fact, there is some evidence to suggest that too much calcium may be detrimental, and may cause kidney stones. Personally, the only supplements I feed are Dorwest Herbs Keepers Mix, but only a couple of times a week. And yes, as has already been said, nettles are good. You can dry the fresh leaves in a slow oven and crush once brittle; that way you can keep a stock in a jar all year round. Just be careful not to pick old nettles or those which might have been sprayed with herbicide. Just pick the tender top leaves.
I thought the raw bones, as well as egg shells add calcium... perhaps others feeding raw are giving meat only and not bones as well?
Liver I believe is full of iron which is added to the food
I will try and get some of that keepers mix, what is it and is it any good?
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Currently feeding my dog (springer) on DAF raw complete mixes, got different variety of meats, mince with the 10% (sometimes 15% but rarely) bone content and added liver (5%) and other organ meat (5%) to make blocks.
I also often add raw green tripe, chicken wings, drumsticks, raw eggs (including shells) and both raw fish like sardines, as well as tinned fish in oil to the dogs diet. I have recently also started adding some kibble to his diet as he was a bit inconsistent on raw only and he has been much better on this. Only give kibble added to the evening meal and add some tree bark powder to it.
When I fed him on kibble before he was awful, very skinny, loose shites all the time and they were just generally shite.
I just want to make sure he is getting everything he needs, and has enough energy. One of the lads said look to add a supplement called Calci-D, as well as some vitamin supplements, fish oil (I already give raw fish or add salmon oil) and to add turmeric.
Any tips of supplements need to be added then lads? What about any veg etc?
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20 minutes ago, kanny said:
Looks like kim Jong un is now kim jong done .
Where's that from?
No news coerage yet.
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On 21/04/2020 at 11:04, kanny said:
Didn't he dig some bloke up and shoot him again?... as you say what's not to like lol
If my Mrs passed I'd dig her up and shoot her again! Just to made sure the bitch is dead! ... don't tell her I said that mind!!
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24 minutes ago, The one said:
Raw mince and a tin of sardines once a week i went to greyshill before this lockdown and filled my big freezer should have enough for a few months
Those complete minces with the bone and offal in them n all?
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Any of ya lads get too bored can come build me a tiny little kennel for 2 spaniels
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1 hour ago, jayjay said:
Hi mate
Thanks for your input......you seem to be clued up where cocker are concerned.......id be looking for a bitch if I get one.....but as it goes the bitches seem to get snapped up real sharp especially out of litters which are worth their salt........and I can see where coming from when you say it's difficult to get a pup of the top end people as they want their kennel names to be recognised.....
Would that Anita Jones be Peter Jones daughter ???
If so he did mention her to me but the pups are not born yet......
What's your opinions on all this health tested parents.......
Would you recommend getting a pup from health tested parents ???
Saying that......if getting a well bred pup from decent working lines and obviously decent breeder......breeding for the right reasons......i would of thought the parents would of had all the health tests done........would that be so ???
Cheers
Jay
No she is a Jones by marriage.
Where about in the country are you?
Re health testing. I would ideally want parents to be tested, but these days people seem to be bragging about how their dogs are health tested clear, when they might be shit workers.
People will advertise litters with long lists of health tests that the parents have passed as if that’s the be all and end all of the decision to buy their pups ... and have almost no mention of the parents working ability.
Also as Balaur hinted to, some dogs can be neurotic and wired all the time, where as I know other cocker owners who have field trial champions that live in the house and are well behaved and can switch off lovely.
Let me know where about you are and I’ll ask about.
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10 minutes ago, Balaur said:
What's with the attitude mate? A mate of mine works trial dogs labs but they're not for everyone, slightly neurotic and robotic at times.. only a question and it wasn't directed at you
I apologise Balaur ... I meant it in jest, just teasing and having a bit of fun
not meant to be taken the wrong way. Sorry if it came across like that
The point I was trying to make was ... I know a lot of people with very well bred trialling dogs, who are worked very regularly on shoots, beating, picking up, and being shot over.
Personally I find people's excuse of their companion being "just a shooting dog", to often be short for a dog that they haven't really trained, a dog that runs in, chases birds into the next drive, doesn't stop when told, and hunts 100 yards ahead of the handler, ignoring every command as they blow their whistle and hollar away, before telling you how great their dog is ... "Did you see him flushing all those birds? Wow, what a hunter" they will proclaim.
Just my personal view of many of the dogs I have seen from shoots I have gone on.
A well trained and handling dog, is an absolute beauty to behold, not many will have them, because it takes a lot of time, effort and often money getting the dog into the right places to gain the experience needed. But when you see one, they are outstanding. I would consider a good trialling dog, to be nothing more than a well polished shooting man's dog. There a lots of shooting men out there with brilliant dogs that they have put the effort into, but they have no interest to trial. But I think choosing a trial bred dog is reassurance in a way, you know the parents are trainable, will hunt and have no major faults (at least at the time they won or ran in trials) ...
As the story I posted above about the woman with the cocker that wouldn't even jump a 2 foot fence, but had sired numerous litters shows, there is a lot of shit out there, with owners professing what excellent 'working' dogs they are. If you ask how they have done in trials, they will undoubtedly tell you they have no interest in trials, they are 'just shooting dogs' ...
Similar to that cocker, there is a black and tan cocker that comes on the small shoot syndicate I joined, once again the dog whines like hell, runs in, ignores the stop whistle, and I have seen birds it brings back, it is harder mouther than a bloody aligator!! It's siring 2-3 litters a season and has his own facebook page for the pups ...
Although I joke about a bit, I hope what I say is a bit helpful to the OP and others looking for pups.
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8 minutes ago, Balaur said:
Are you after a trialling dog or you want it for working in the field?
Do trialling dogs work in the office or something?
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6 hours ago, jayjay said:
I am quite careful on my approach and try to see through the bullshit.....
I've been in contact with some cocker breeders, Peter Jones (maesydderwen) but he has nothing available at the moment,
There was another up mid or north Wales...cant remember the name of that kennels, no joy there.....contacted Ian openshaw with no joy and the last one I've been in contact with is Will cluelee (poolgreen cockers) and he has put me on a reserve waiting list.....
But we'll see what happens.......
What is it with these cocker......their price seemed to have rocketed in the last month or so since I've been paying particular attention to advertisements for them.....they seem to be coming very popular and greedy breeders are out to cash in on it.....
I seen an advert go up in price over 3 days from £1000 to £1400 just because they'd had over 60 enquiries.......
Shocking the greed of some people and the pups in that litter hadn't been born yet......
I'm patient enough and will wait for the right one, doing the right thing from the right breeding......
Cheers
Jay
Good work mate
Anita Jones has a litter coming up from her bitch that’s run in the championship, Jeremy Organ was planning some litters this summer and Andy Platt and Jamie Reed up in Scotland are both good names but hell of a trip up there.
If you don’t trial yourself it can be difficult to get one off the big names, as they want them going to other trial homes who they know will win awards because it gets their kennel names out there.
Easier if you want a dog pup as triallers don’t seem so keen on them.
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I thought lads on here were dog men ... but who recommends having a pup because of what they look like (or the parents look like) in a picture?
I wouldn’t give a flying feck what it looked like, or what colour it is!!
I’d want it to hunt like a demon, retrieve to hand and work within shot.
Id be looking for parents that will hunt cover ... you’d be surprised how many cockers (and springers) are being bred that won’t hunt proper cover (or cover at all). It’s harder for cockers from the off as they’re smaller and less powerful.Then I’d be trying to find one where the parents don’t squeak ... cockers are notorious for it and it’s bloody annoying! I’ve been on a shoot where they had 7-8 cockers between them and they were going like a blood choir.
Then I’d make sure that the breeder knew a bit about them, and spent time giving the pups a proper good start, well socialised with people, children and ensure the pups were bold and confident little things.
I saw a cocker at a test last year that wouldn't jump a small fence less than 2ft high (and it had a solid wood rail across the top to make it easy) ... he was 2 year old and the woman said he’d already sired 3 litters ... I asked how he works ... she said oh, she hasn’t really had much time to train him or work him yet ... yet if you asked her what he was like she said what a brilliant little dog he was, what great pups he produces and all that bollocks!
Be careful out there lad. I would possibly phone some of the gundog societies or clubs in your area and ask if they can recommend anyone if you can’t get a good recommendation from word of mouth.
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Lovely stamp on her ... looks very unique
How does she work?
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3 hours ago, Born Hunter said:
Kennelled. Simply because I don't like dogs in the house and it means I can go for a night out without worrying about f***ing dogs, lol. Walked once a day, fed once a day, allowed the run of the yard for a couple hours a day. I love the summer months, simply because I get to spend more time just enjoying the dogs outside. Winter I'm less inclined to but equally they get worked then of course.
No idea if it makes for a better or worse dog but I'm damned sure it doesn't make for any less of a contented dog.
The only caveat I would add is that I wouldn't like a dog to be out on it's own all the time. they're so sociable. I'd consider pulling a dog in the house if I only had one.
Sounds fair mate How long do they get walked for?
I think in the season a dog worked hard benefits from a few days off in-between.
My spaniel did a full day beating the other week he was knackered for few days afterwards I didn’t do much with him for few days it wasn’t until a good 3 days after he was his usual self nagging me to go out.
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How many of you lads are keeping your gundogs in kennels?
A bloke I know who’s also a judges says he finds it makes a big difference, do you find it makes them better workers or easier to train?
For those of you that do kennel em, how long as they in the kennel and how often / how long are they out for?
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On 24/01/2020 at 08:42, johnboynewt said:
a couple means two.
thanks for the feeding tips lloyd
There’s a thing called litter mate syndrome, read about it sounds a pain.
I got two pups when I was younger within a year of each other. Wish I’d just got one really well trained before getting another.
Just trying to help.
Feeding wise. My Spaniel gets a bad stomach very easily, and the only foot I found that doesn’t give him loose poops is feeding raw. I use DAF.
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Your getting a couple? What does that mean? Two or even three pups at once?
You'd be better off getting one and getting that fully trained at around 2-3 year old before you get a second.
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Facebook - affordable game days group.
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How do you tell what length you need mate?
I have a side by side that’s a bit short but no idea how much to add to the butt stock.
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On 18/08/2019 at 17:47, dodger said:
Iv just been road walkin mine the last few weeks when it's been cool enough n also down the beach or river swimming n been doing some doggin in the last week there not fit but about how I'd want them to be ready to start the new season..
Is that just walked next to you on the lead mate? How long / far is that for?
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Amazing scenes, bet those dogs do 5x what you cover.
Good money for cocker bitch
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"Part trained" ... means they probably taught it to sit for a treat.
I wouldn't buy anything off the internet etc. If I wanted an older dog I'd only buy it off trainers I know personally as I woudn't trust any f****r. Hence easier to get a pup.