sounds like somebody's never had a decent dog ,I suppose there's only one way and thats forward,you've probably never had a clean bolt in your life,we've all had the hard dogs with no face you c'nt take out,grow up and expand your brain,you might get a hat to to fit instead of that flat one,people with plummer's and russells that are biddable will know what I mean,they're nothing like lakies or fells,patterdales but you need patience and you can't whack um to much when they're young to get the best out of them.
well said WC well said