Bootsha, I know exactly what you are saying mate, I have had no problems with the wire myself, but a couple of lads have made me aware of terriers pulling the wire off, saying that it is only a few, but if Im to suppy the dog world with product that I would like to think are of the best standard I can make then I most listeren to whats being said and if in the same case as you mentioned a terrier broke lose in the back of a van, I think the little dog in most if not all cases is go one way only, I did think of leaving the wire in place under the bars or offering the bars as an extra, the engin