i've never owned 1 nor do i think i will , but i think it may have come across where someone with a pack with full labs and full springers and maybe first off it may have been a genuine accident, maybe that said person kept 1 back and it excelled at hunting / bushing / flushing ect then his /her mate see's them and say's ayyy that wasn't a bad accident if it happens again i'll have 1 and so on and so on, until afew people caught on then the peddler seen there was a demand then bobs your uncle fanny's ya aunt we have have a new breed on the market :whistling: hypothetically speaking