frost , in reply to your post , i have judged many times over the country , and i can honestly say , that no matter who is holding the dog , if it is the best specimen on show , i will give it first , as to your comment that every show in scotland is fixed , let me tell you this , i had a judge picked for one of my shows , and was told , over the phone , who was going to win , yes it was the same person , from all the phone calls , so i phoned the judge and told him he was'nt judging anymore , this caused an enormous row , but what the f**k , i run a straight show , cant comment on others mind