I no were your coming from hes been brought up with them from love his we pups was out with me when they were born shouts at me if shout at them but hes young an kids r the same with other kid never mind a pup the pups r just over 13 months they no him from day one he knows clip a dog on the nose a tug on the lead but even u an i lose your temper they made friends again when he got washed an changed told the dog it was a wee accident he tought the rights an wrong of the way to treat an animal cheers for the advice tho :-)