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15 minutes ago, Hatch28 said:
Should be jumping fences lurchers with broken necks and legs dont catch alot either.Lurchers should be bred for brain aswell as gameness.
Being honest I’d rather a dog that would die trying than one that stops up at a fence or ditch. Just nature of the game you try and keep risk to a minimum but at same time u can’t wrap them in wool. There’s no excuse for a dog that stops up after it’s game. It’s a risk every time you slip that dog. No more than putting a dog to ground, or a horse jumping a hurdle or whatever. All I know is if a lurcher stops up after a fox at ditch or fence he’s not for me. Everyone has their own preference in dogs each to their own who am I to say.
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1 hour ago, Hatch28 said:
Depends I suppose what your into if thats the type you like thats your preferance,I gave up keeping lurchers long ago but I never like those brain dead types that broke them selves up of wire and f****d about trying to dig them selves in,a lurcher marking is one thing but digging a lurcher out.I was out there the end of the season digging a fox with a fella he brought two lurchers the pair were trying to dig up the enterance where the fox had gone to ground anyway long story short terrier couldnt get up to the fox and after maybe an hour or so he bolted and the two lurchers were still digging away , had one of those lurchers had a brain and stood off and waited that would have been a dead fox.
So what would you like your dog to do if he’s running a fox and fox goes through wire ? Pull up so he doesn’t get hurt and just watch the fox run off. That’s a jacker mate. Dog should go out over or through it after his game. Same with ditches. If your lurcher is stopping at wire or ditches your gonna Miss a lot of foxes and dog not worth feeding. Just my opinion
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24 minutes ago, dogmandont said:
That fox was missed because of the the men there and not the dogs, how hard is it to put a lurcher on a slip and stand back while the other man is digging.
I’m talking about hunting covers with hounds out to lurchers. You don’t catch them all ? Standing out from covers for a slip dog runs it and it runs in. I’m not on about just having the dog out digging but anyways look we’ll agree to disagree.
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On 20/05/2023 at 21:30, dogmandont said:
If your after foxes a lurcher has every right to be at a dig.
And I don't mean to be used as draw dogs either.
Your dead right . Aslong as it’s done fairly I agree with you 100%
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5 hours ago, Hatch28 said:
Yea but a lurcher used for foxes wouldnt be much good if it was going to ground on you,that sort have no business at a dig.Any half decent fox lurcher Ive ever seen would be waiting for a bolt not going to ground.
Ah lad, any good fox lurcher willl go through a fukcing wall to get at his game and if he doesn’t bye bye. So your telling me if a fox leaves cover and you slip your dog he courses it and the fox runs in you expect the dog to pull up and wait for you to come for a bolt fcuk that. Good dog will be shifting soil trying to get up and if it’s small enough dog and a big enough spot he’s gone. I’d disagree with you any decent lurcher I’ve seen will stop at nothin to get at his game . And if he does he’s no good to me.
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1 hour ago, Hannibal3 said:
I’m the owner of the pup. My friend bred the litter to add an outcross to his wheatens as the blood is very tight and very inbred as most genuine working wheatens are . This certainly was not the case of just using what was readily available and putting any old dog to any old dog . The bull bitch was from excellent stock and the wheatens very well worked . If any of the 6 pups he gifted out ( mine included in that ) do what they are supposed to do then he may put back to his wheatens . The man has plenty of money , plenty of game to hunt and travels all over Europe working and testing his dogs so can do things with his dogs that most of us unfortunately cannot do .
Wish you all the best hope works out for you
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6 hours ago, Hatch28 said:
Ive got black terriers working away, couldnt dream of letting them off the lead absolute head bangers,but does that make them good terriers?,I am well aware of the difference in a busher and an earth dog an out and out busher doesnt go to ground but a good digging terrier will and should hunt cover,I bushed wheatons,biggest problem I seen with them is they would mess around at a rabbit holes and hold the show up ,theres being a few men I new of that worked strong dogs off the lead with out any real issue,oh and those lurchers that are going to ground that usually comes about from clowns bringing them to diggs thats not their job, a lurcher has no place at a dig.
I wouldn’t knock your black dogs for not being good bushers aslong as there good under the sod that’s all that matter . Can’t get my head around using a Wheaton for bushing or a full bull. Would you not have problems with sheep/cattle , for a start a wheatens would be to big and fukxing hairy for right cover a briars. He’d be slow as fuvk on a line of a fox. Am I agree no place for a lurcher around an earth however it has happened in certain cases. Doing cover during the day slip your dog course it and ends up in a hole.
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2 hours ago, Hatch28 said:
Well no a good terrier will work cover just aswell as they will work to ground,I had a couple of sensible terriers over the years one russell that stands out could be used for ferreting to rats or rabbits and he was good he'd hunt any ditch bolt foxes for fun from bales or earths,you could work him all night long on rats,he had a hatred for cats he bark on the line of a cat or fox a real useful terrier next doors akita ripped him to pieces in the end,
Ive had pits and wheatons done some bushing will wheatons but I wouldnt rate them and you cant trust them at all.
Look depends what u in to , Not trying to be insulting but there’s a difference between a digging dog and a bushing terrier. You can mix sand and cement with a shovel don’t make it a belle mixer does it . U wouldn’t let a pack of black dogs into cover to flush foxes . You’ll get lurcher that will go to ground in big place doesn’t mean u have a ‘digging lurcher’ horses for courses . Heavy dogs are what they are they aren’t an all rounder. Who in their right mind would let a game bred pitbull or a working Wheaton off loose for bushing and expect to be able to trust them..
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11 hours ago, dogmandont said:
As much as it pains me to say it the days of standing round a hole working strong dogs is well and truly over and has been for a long time, the true enthusiasts have been replaced by Facebook fckwits with camera phones, they've basically creep into every aspect of hunting with dogs and ruined it as they went.
No one else is to blame for our downfall but ourselves.
100%. 99% of lads on those pages are part timers. Only do a bit in the season to get a picture of a dog broke up to post. That’s not what it’s about and their painting a bad image for lads who are doing things right. Ruining it for everyone. Surely a way to get those pages down. To late now anyways I’m afraid the damage is done
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On 14/05/2023 at 20:33, Hatch28 said:
I dont think its the fact that it got too dangerous to keep them I think it was the fact that they are one trick pony and a handful to manage,its dangerous keeping marked up terriers but yet they are favoured and have become harder in recent times,theres more people about me with either wheatons or pits than there are lurchers.
That’s a crazy statement, there’s good men who dedicated their life to breeding and working strong dogs (again there not my thing never had one) . You can say there a one trick pony I say they were bred for a job and done well at it. If that’s the case isn’t a digging terrier a one trick pony hardly gonna go out shooting pheasants over it are you? Or heard sheep with it. They do the job they were bred for nothing more nothing less. A lot of lads got out of them because it got too hot and would be ruined if they were caught. Their families life’s damaged too from it. Every breed of dog can be looked at as a one trick pony but I’d rather a dog that does one trick but gives it it’s all. Atb sionnach.
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13 minutes ago, Jackmo said:
Your a 100% , people know what they are , just look at these Facebook pages who some have tens of thousands of followers and only a very very small minority of people if ur lucky are actually hunting people and vast majority of the guys who own them have never been on a days digging or lurcher work in their lives but they are promoting working dogs be it terriers , wheatens lurchers to people who has no business knowing what they’re for.
Your spot on. It seems any lurcher on those pages that have a jacket are Wheaton x , all antis on those pages have to do is look up working Wheaton google and you see what comes up. Doesn’t take a genius to know what they are . Why do lads think everyone got out of them. It’s not because they had to outcross and ran out of road with them, the old timers packed in cause it got to dangerous and no one replaced them and they fizzled out. There was no shortage of wheatons before cameras and the lid was lifted on terrierwork. Everyone knows what they are there not some hidden unicorn. Lads seem to think that wheatons are this amazing breed that no one heard of. Whether you have a Wheaton or bulldog if your using it at what its job is, it gonna show it. And if your caught walking up to the van with terrier digging tools and a Wheaton your goosed .
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10 hours ago, Hatch28 said:
I'd a few wheatons up an down no one batted an eye lid, to the average joe bloggs their just another hairy mutt.
Your definitely right about the lurchers. I keep a couple and wouldn’t walk them in public . Don’t use them much for daytime work either to hot around here farmers just presume your hare coursing. Lamp the f**k out of them
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5 hours ago, Hatch28 said:
Most people dont no what a wheaton is ,lurchers draw trouble.
Surprising what people know, all takes is wrong Cnut , all I know anyways is I’d rather be seen without one than with one
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Fair enough take your point but Good wheatons are definitely out there , I know a few lads with good ones, but definitely very few about, only a couple of pockets of them in the country and your not getting one if you don’t know them. But I suppose the same can be said for any breed. Anyone with good stuff not just gonna hand it out to any One.
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Just curious to as why lads would do this cross and I’m not having a dig at anyone, each to their own but would u not be best off with a pure bulldog or a proper Wheaton, what’s the point of the cross diluting blood. I know you can say to give a better coat but if you want a dog with jacket why not keep full wheatons? And if you need put gameness into your wheatons and feel the need for bull blood well then I’d be questioning that line of dogs to begin with?? Surely you wouldn’t keep a bitch and tell yourself well she’s not great but fuvk it it’s a Wheaton I’ll just throw a bull over it and hope for good pups?? Why keep that dog at all ?? It’s gonna crop up it’s head again down the line. I never kept either breed just my opinion
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Day of going around with a Wheaton or pitbull in the field in Ireland is gone , and has been for years, definitely wouldn’t be for me, asking for trouble.
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How big do dingoes get? Could you run one with a good lump of a bull x on one or would the just get mangled?
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That butch is a nice looking animal too.
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4 hours ago, chesney said:
20month old gifted AC that started just before season finished
Dog or bitch? It certainly looks the part.
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One from the season gone by that didn’t come through for me unfortunately.
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14 minutes ago, chesney said:
V.nice what age?
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The thread will be pulled if I mention the name out loud haha
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2 hours ago, Locked on said:
Crackers, what lines in them ?
The line that always cause arguments on here haha
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1 hour ago, chesney said:
Solid types them sionnach 2 crackers
Thank you, there coming on well now they be half Brothers to each other
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Keep an eye out lads
in Earthdogs & Working Terriers
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That fcuking ape has more harm done to terrier work in the north in the last five years than other men have in 50 . How anyone would swallow his shite and send a dog to him is beyond me. And I couldn’t give a fcuk if your on here hopefully you see this , your fcuking the game for everyone. Post the proof the dog was pts and there be no problem. And quit boasting about the shitee you do on Facebook for the whole world to see ya muppet.